If you continue a thread long enough to the point the context is filled it easily is persuaded.

Also its not something that can be fixed the issue just migrates to a new “jailbreak” or whatever it is you use to trick it. Maybe the tricks you used didn’t work but it doesnt mean it still can’t be tricked. Its just your old methods got patched out.

Its like a never ending battle against bots, or hackers in games. Once one method gets patched the otherside just gets better at it. Sure it gets better but it can never be fully safe. And even if it is ever at a standard that is at an acceptable amount of harm, you are still willfully ignoring how systematically and historically how this is just going to be abused by the people running it. The whole point of Ai is to skirt around all the work society had put into at least somewhat protected people from the abuse of corperations. If it didn’t promise that there would be no money invested into it, and I don’t see how you are so blind to it. Grok ai for example is allowed to generate csam, and claim that there is no genocide in Gaza. The only issue it will bring your attention to is the genocide of white farmers. Thats the future of how people will absorb information is through this DRM on the flow of it. This is 1000% legal because trump has made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any form, and that includes the generation of csam. These people are immune to laws, and are allowed to rape and pillage what is essentially the library of Alexandrina and lock the door behind them.

Its dangerous precedent and I think you are a harmful person to think that grok should be incharge of peoples therapy, when elon’s doge has dismantled more than half of the federal programs. The person who wants to spread misinformation, wants all your goverment data, and wants to remove healthcare so his ai can get more money is the person who will be telling you how to be happy. It will probably just tell you youre depressed because you arent on enough peptides or its because you took the covid vaccine.

And grok, chatgpt, it doesnt matter they are all the same thing, and there is no distinction between them. Its just different appeals to different demographics and the best one will rise to the top. They all have the same end goal and are all funded by the same people.

You can’t really do that without infustructure to support it. Israel recently got in the news for doing essentially this.

So its not immediately making it into training data, that takes a while and there’s numerous filters to try to prevent this from happening. You can still do it but you or me are not going to do that.

What we can kind of do is if enough people agree to make nonsensical posts on reddit for example the ai will pick it up as fact. It doesnt always work, you kind of have to pick a unique sentence or they will try to autocorrect you and say “oh did you mean this event?” But it has been done before and any llm that uses the internet to search for info easily gets tricked by this. This is what Israel was doing, but they have numerous ai news outlets that generate fake articles that all say the same thing, and bots similar sentiments on social media platforms.

Also the gaurd rails you are refering to are just seperate lesser llm that scans your chat before it passes it to the main model. But much like the main model you can trick the filter into bypassing whatever gaurdrails by just rewording your sentence or asking it to pretend its a game. You seem to be conflating this with intelligence or like the LLM is improving. Those guard rails will be tweaked when money is finally needed because money is always more important over saftey. And there are no laws to prevent them from doing otherwise only public backlash. The model itself isn’t safe.

I wish I knew what part of my response gave you that train of thought so I could have more context on what exactly you where explaining.

So from what I gathered is the longer a LLM interacts with people and gets things wrong the more often it has chances to learn misinformation, is the crux of your point? Your example you used slipknot and a llm getting confused with ship related information, and then that getting flagged as an appropriate response to the user and being further cemented into training data?

If you really want to go back it started with the encryption. If you want to go back even further it would of been the printing press.

But I think most of what you guys are refering to came from ww1/2 with encryption machines. The US essentially put back doors in them. The whole atomic bomb race enshrouded us in this weird military ranking secrecy which later led to the CIA/OSS. People like Robert Maxwell envisioned computer systems to monitor people and data bases. Also much of the work that the natzis where doing with weird medical science which got folded in too due to operation paper clip. Essentially we continued natzi style medical experiments on vagrants, Black’s, prostitutes, and the people who where mentally unstable.

Weird eugenics natzi paper clip scientists, and chemical scientists where like the Ai back then. We had eugenics programs where we would test “mind control” in public universities. Or do things like raise a baby with a monkey as if he was a monkey just to see what would happen. Many cults, serial killers, and rapists actually came from some of these “Mk ultra” experiments. Some of which even had CIA connections like the finders, Unabomber, or Charles manson. So in this evil science race to beat Russia we create thousands of dangerous drugs, and chemicals, and test them on unsuspecting people, all ran or sponsered by ex natzi eugencisists. Not to mention pretty much all the satanic panic cults where directly CIA/Mk ultra, as if they where testing the whole “sleeper cells” concept you heard a lot of back then on fictional TV.

Thats when you start getting the news cycle, with satanic panic, and the 24/7 Vietnam news cycle. From there it transitioned to the modern fox news style cycles we get today. And that got further expanded with inqtel investing in companies like Facebook to make manipulative news feeds, and companies who are making dark patterns and these slot machines esque mechanics that hijack your basic thinking. Its like a continuation of Robert Maxwells vision.

First off chatgpt has murdered kids in the double digits for merely trying to use it for therapy. So I am concerned for your own well being if you are already not well, and feel like you have to use something that is potentially even more harmful to your health.

What you are failing to understand though is these companies don’t have your interest in heart. So imagine if your therapists only metric for success was time you spent on the app. Engagement. Can you imagine how a paper clip maximizer has 0 incentive to actually help you, but instead keep you on their platform as long as possible, while telling you everything you want to hear not need to hear? At least a real therapist goes to jail when they kill someone, or are held responsible for crimes they commit. At least you can always ask for a different therapist if you don’t like the current one. At least a real person is getting paid, and they’re required by law to not sell your data to advertisers. An ai is literally telling Cambridge analytica the people who helped rig an election all your insecurities and this is completely legal.

What’s ironic about your statement is the fact you are doing the very thing that is going to ensure that you never get therapy. Right now there is a battle to let Ais absorb all the goverment data, and be incharge of “effiecency”. Why do you think elon Musk’s Dodge had to rifle through the goverment programs and shut them down? He made a big deal about needing to unify goverment data, and how its more efficient to let his ai have all the data. Well due to that we no longer have fully functioning federal services, and that money all went to elon musk. As another example Xbox’s Ai Division’s asha sharma was recently put in charge of united States welfare programs and they’re “efficiency”. Thats right after Asha sharma layed off half of Xbox, so you can only imagine what she is there for.

Now grok is apart of the back bone of the military. And more and more talks are happening about removing food stamps and social security all together, or stripping them down to be nonfunctional. We are talking about nationalizing Ai, which means giving it a national budget that’s 3x-5x the size of the military budget. To do that they need to introduce UBI which will be a miniscule check of maybe 400-600 USD a month and will be the first budget they lower when its time for budget cuts. And because everyone has this ubi they will remove all other social services which gave much more value overall.

So imagine having to live like you’re 70 years old on social security funding, still working at Walmart, but now you also have to pay for your food, and health care because there’s no saftey nets anymore. Oh and once you get comfy with your ai therapist, they change the model and it no longer works, or they have to start putting ads in it so everytime you tell it youre sad it just says a McDonalds mc flurry always cheers it up.

Please stop supporting UBI. Even when progressives talk about UBI they talk about how much money they will save because they are removing literally ALL other forms of social welfare including social security.

Imagine having to work at Walmart like your grandma at 80, because the social security check only pays out a weeks worth of pay at a part time minimum wage job. And now due to UBI you don’t even get food stamps, or get free healthcare.

We need more socialist programs, not a cash bribe for the stupidst of people to sell out their country.

This is what ai/effeicency looks like. Its going to be like dodge gutting all the funding for the federal programs until they are nonfunctional. All the money should be going to ai and “hyperacalers” instead and people starving on the street is just social progress.

The CIA said mlk had gay boy lovers and threw gay swinger parties before they ended up killing him you idiot.

Now there is Ai that does that for the likes of peter thiel. You go out there and be the next MLK if that’s what you want to happen to you.

I don’t know what kind of world you live in the believe that. Have you ever have to fight a entity at the scale these big tech companies can afford?

You’re going to go broke and they will stall you harass you and send you endless frivolous claims to the point you cannot do anything. Even worse is they have enough money where the courts and cops are on their side.

When its over half of them, and the other half are literal natzis from south Africa or have some other kind of weird racist origin I think its pretty safe to say all of them.

Not to mention ALL of the major tech and ai companies have installed someone from unit 8200.

Its not in bad faith when the list of “good” tech ceos is under a handful.

What do you think people have been trying to do to reach the point of turning to violence.

You think that was their first option? You think its so easy then you go out there and put your money where your mouth is. I wana see you get clubbed in the head by a cop, or shot with rubber bullets point blank and pepper sprayed in the eyes. Go ahead tell me how that works out. You’re a useless idiot.

First show me where I said we should ban them.

Second:

If you where to leave a loaded gun out on the table, and someone where to steal it off your table you would also be held liable for the crime because it wasn’t locked away in a gun safe unloaded.

LLMs are the equivalent of handing out a loaded gun to everyone for free, even if they adamantly don’t want one. People like Sam Altmann and elon musk who keep pushing for this garbage to be your therapist and the only way to interact with life should face serious consequences like life in prison, and the companies they run should get a fine that’s impossibly large to pay off just like how infowars got a 500billion dollar fine. Info wars and chatgpt are pretty much the same product.

The LLMS convinced maybe 15+ kids to kill themselves. Claude told the us goverment to bomb a kids school.

I mean you’re kind of splitting hairs on what kind of child murder the LLMs are enabling.

He always got wet food with free feeding dry food. But we started watering it down now days just to make sure.

We dont fully know what cause the blockage, it could be litter, stress, food, etc.

The vet never told us specifically what could of caused it because she had no way to know. We assumed it was the meat snacks we gave him because that was one of the few variables that made sense to us that the vet listed. Could of even been the food brands we where feeding him at the time, could be the dusty litter.

Regardless we didn’t risk any variable and changed to his prescription diet, the litter, and the works and we havent had a issue sense. I still think it was the meat but honestly could of been the liter, or various other things. Certainly not going to start testing to prove my hypothesis.

Also he’s 5-6 years old with 4 of those years with us. From those years before the bladder blockage yeah I would say he was a normal healthy cat with no issues before that. Most of the time you don’t get a cat with preexisting conditions, you just end up with a cat and you presume its healthy until proven otherwise. He could of had this before but it took a long time for the issue to surface.

Its more common than I thought. The vet said it effects 1/10 male cats, and more and more it seems to be a issue these days. Our vet says its the cat food everyone gets these days doesnt help.

And I know the person wasn’t calling me out directly, I didn’t make a single comment until I read that one and decided to reply. I was more pointing out how this does happen and I would say is something to be concerned about, and how I see that same concern in a few other comments. Those are warnings of experience, and I wouldnt of known that if I haven’t gone through the same thing.

Listen man I just don’t want someone to feel like I did. We had to drive 2 hours at mid night to the nearest emergency vet and they had to keep him there for two days. I had to do sidejobs every weekend to pay off the bill. Thankfully they didn’t start charging interest until maybe a year after and we got it payed off before that no problem.

What makes it worse is cats dont show pain. My wife did not seemed concerned what so ever that he wouldnt get out of bed for the whole day, and was really dismissive when I pointed out he acts like he doesnt want to sit down or lay down. It wasn’t until I googled the symptoms said its deadly before she decided maybe it was serious. I just dont think most people “get” cats, or are expecting them to communicate to you like a dog.

Not even hating. Literally only gave my male cat two bites of perschuto and he got a bladder blockage.

Was painful, he almost died, and it costed 6 grand. We didn’t have pet insurance then so that was a lesson I did not forget.

I seen my cat in intense pain and almost die, I am almost slightly offended you would call me a hater for trying to warn another person of what could happen. If anyone doesnt know yes over salty foods and fatty foods are bad for cats, especially male cats. You can call someone a hater for sounding passionate but I think you should understand where that passion comes from, and its a one of concern. Its not someone telling you what to do, it’s someone warning you.

My brain could not figure out this was a horizontal photo and the perspective confused my brain for way too long.