Legal threats, skills shortages and regulatory challenges complicate reopening of plant at site of nuclear accident
      • BossDj@lemm.eeEnglish
        45·
        1 year ago

        My guy, they’re going to power it either way on our dime. His point is better it’s nuclear than fossil at least.

          • BossDj@lemm.eeEnglish
            121·
            1 year ago

            I think you’re still missing the point. It’s a loss, it’s criminal, our government sucks. There is no win here. But AT LEAST it’s not another coal mine reopening or a new pipeline. This comment has nothing to do with why this is happening or trying to convince anyone it’s a good thing. Slow your attack

              • ramble81@lemm.eeEnglish
                131·
                1 year ago

                You’re missing his point because you want t trumpet your own. Let me flip the question around a bit

                If they were to build for, and pay for the electrical capacity on their own dime, would you prefer them doing it with nuclear or coal?

      • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
        184·
        1 year ago

        sure nuclear would be great… but this aint for us ;)

        Yes it is. Every plant that’s live, means that things can be done more and more at scale, which drives down the price overall. In this narrow specific case, Microsoft will drive down the price which will make the already appealing nuclear (aside from NIMBY folk who will never give in because of their ignorance) even MORE appealing for baseload handling. Every plant, private or public will increase engineer knowledge and production of parts (increasing scale) which is better overall for nuclear.

        And overall, these companies are going to increase their power load regardless. I’d rather new power production go to the better technology that won’t actively poison the environment. Driving down the % of power generated by coal/oil should be universally applauded. Even if it’s just new implementation of a large workload.

          • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
            102·
            1 year ago

            show me when was last time that price of electric went down for the end consumer?

            I didn’t say price of electricity would go down. I was talking about the price to produce and maintain nuclear plants would go down.

            Considering that electricity usage overall is on an upward trend, especially with things like electric cars becoming more and more mainstream. Also with things like inflation being a thing… It would be stupid to think that prices would ever straight up come down. However the cost to maintain more production could stifle/stunt how fast the prices increase.

            Also… At my last house. Our electrical company rebated a not insignificant amount of money to each house based on usage for the year due to costs coming down for some stuff. So… about a year and a half or maybe 2 years ago for me personally?

            Not sure why you’d expect prices to go down at all though when society/government is also pressuring the electrical companies to install “renewables” by the boatloads as well. There’s costs associated with all that. The money has to come from somewhere.

            I had this argument on nextdoor a few weeks back. Our local electric utility made some 500million in “profit”. But have a mandate to be 60% renewable by 2028, and something like 80% by 2030, which 100% some time after that. If you do the math on how much the coal/nat oil plants produce, and estimate a cost for a solar farm… You realize that while it’s a profit this year… it won’t be a profit over time, virtually all (the math came out to like 93% of it) needs to get earmarked and put towards solar to get to those renewable mandate numbers. So yes. costs are going to keep going up if people like you act like nuclear getting spun up is a sin.

            Edit: clarity

            Edit: what is with this trend on lemmy the past few months of picking one specific sentence and ignoring the context of the rest of the fucking post? I even talk about “at scale”. It’s not hard to look at my post and think of supply/demand economics. Demand being super low because we only have handful of nuclear plants mean that a lot of suppliers just aren’t around anymore. As demand goes up, in the short term market will demand price to go up. But eventually demand will continue to increase where there is a supply void and new production will come as long as other factors don’t kill it. And Production at larger scales is ALWAYS more economical. This is literally econ 101 type shit.

              • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
                41·
                1 year ago

                Yes, cost is going up because people expect mega corps to pay for their infrastructure investment lol

                So you think that companies don’t pay for electricity? That they’re not part of the “profits” the electrical company has on the books?

                Man… I wish I could just get free electricity for my company. Oh… and I pay higher rates at my commercial space for less usage than I do residentially.

                But right! That’s companies somehow getting some freebie from “the people”.

                Oh, and you continue to ignore my point as well, so I’ll ask it again… If there are more nuclear plants… thus more production for things used to create and maintain nuclear plants. Will the cost to produce MORE nuclear energy go down?

  • COASTER1921@lemmy.mlEnglish
    221·
    1 year ago

    FT asking $75/mo for digital access is insane. I’m happy to pay for quality journalism but that’s simply out of reach for most Americans. I’d love to know how their management determined this was an appropriate price.

  • SolacefromSilence@fedia.io
    194·
    1 year ago

    They couldn’t get it right before enshittification has gripped everything.

    The companies involved, the industry, and the regulators currently can’t be trusted; this project should be killed.

    • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      125·
      1 year ago

      You would rather power it with natural gas? Because that is what would largely power it otherwise. The datacenter does not turn off at night.

      • andyburke@fedia.io
        81·
        1 year ago

        Or … maybe the datacenter shouldn’t use so much power to produce something of extremely questionable worth to our species. 🤷‍♂️

        • oortjunk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          36·
          1 year ago

          Awesome. Your next step should be: getting appointed to the hooded and robed “council that decides the intrinsic worth of every human endeavor and inculcates this via subliminal carrier wave to the whole species”.

          Make that “maybe” come true kiddo!