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    8 days ago

    The shift of MCP governance to the Linux Foundation under the Agentic AI Foundation (AAIF) provides a new, neutral venue for these discussions.

    Maybe it’s common knowledge but I wasn’t aware. It puts Linus’ recent comments about AI being just a tool acceptable in Linux kernel development in a new light.

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      8 days ago

      Sorry but you’re finding patterns in the wind.

      The Linux kernel dev and the LF (famously l, in the past) are independent of each other - with the LF being the slower one.

      So if you want to forcefully find a connection then it’s “Linus stand made the LF take on AI”. But even then it’s … Well just another conspiracy: two (of … “All”) institutions talk about the biggest tech hype since .com.

      Oh and to be very clear: The LF and with that the AAIF is a corporate organization whose sole purpose is that everyone (read: every corporation) benefits from Linux.

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        Thanks for the clarification.

        When I look at The Linux Foundation projects page, I see www.kernel.org listed prominently. So my understanding was that the kernel development is a project of The Linux Foundation. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something and the kernel project is entirely independent of The Linux Foundation, other than there being a hyperlink from the one to the other.

        And I understand the article to be saying MCP is now also a project of The Linux Foundation, which seems confirmed by this announcement of The Linux Foundation, so not just some AI hallucination.

        I don’t mean to suggest any nefarious conspiracy. Sorry if it seemed that way. Only that the projects and people are more closely related than I had realized. That’s not bad. While I have concerns about the social and environmental impacts of how AI can be used, I don’t think it is inherently bad technology and I largely agree with Linus’ position of use of it in the kernel.

        On the other hand, I do have concerns about some of the companies that are developing, promoting and using AI. They are not all good, risk free and neutral, from my perspective.

        The focus of The Linux Foundation on benefit to corporations (I take it as opposed to individuals or society generally) is also interesting and something I hadn’t much considered. Thanks for pointing it out.

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          8 days ago

          I’m with you, I’m torn apart quite strong: I really enjoy what I can do for myself with LLMs and I often see individual actions of the Linux foundation positive - but the whole thing is… You’ve or it perfectly: ‘concerning’ fits perfectly.

          Your treat is correct by the way, the kernel is officially a foundation project - it’s pure historical observation that the kernel ran ahead of the foundation. I.e. I very well might have missed changes!

          The AAIF is actively developing a harness for example as well, goose - which I really liked but … Ah damn I’m not sure what to think, not even what to write.

          Thanks for the dialogue and links! I think, now rereading your original post and my replay, that I’ve projected a lot into your post that isn’t there - highly appreciate your reply!

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            8 days ago

            Likewise. There’s lots to learn and other perspectives are helpful, including how others understand what I write, which is sometimes not what I intended or hoped. So, thanks for the feedback.

            AI/LLM tools are obviously already very powerful and becoming more powerful every day. They are going to change society, probably profoundly.

            They are also obviously difficult to understand and, therefore, difficult to control. This means that even with the best of intentions they are dangerous.

            And they obviously can be used and abused by people with nefarious and criminal intentions to great / terrible effect, with finding and exploiting security vulnerabilities and generating increasingly hard to detect misinformation that influences politics and society adversely being two uses with many impressive examples already, and people only just beginning to learn how to exploit the tools.

            We are living in the proverbial ‘interesting times’