• stinky@redlemmy.com
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    3 days ago

    You’re using relativism to disprove the idea that overpolicing doesn’t make us safer? My goodness!

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      One lie I’ve heard over and over in my life is how unsafe everything is. Small town people think the cities are unsafe. City people think the small towns are unsafe. They’re not. They’re actually fine. It’s a scare tactic. The media over reports crime. Look at any crime statistics and you’ll see, yes, some recent spikes. As always. But if you’re watching the news you’d think we’ve been in a perpetual crime spike since the 1960’s or so. It’s a safer world right now than it was 50 and 100 years ago.

      The USA is, in fact (even if it upsets you) one of the safest societies in the history of the world. Only behind other modern 1st world nations.

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        2 days ago

        In that case we shouldn’t have ANY incidents of police officers murdering people, planting evidence, covering up internal crime or taking bribes.

        Saying, “it’s good enough” in response to “overpolicing doesn’t make us safer” suggests that the overpolicing is ok, and it’s not. So thanks for your input, but I’m upholding my view.

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          I’m not saying it’s “good enough,” I’m saying that it has improved. It will hopefully continue to improve. It’s far from perfect. I have no disagreements there. My problem was with this statement:

          If police and prisons made societies safer the USA would be the safest society on the planet.

          Well it is one of the safest societies on the planet. And it continues to get safer.

          This is not the argument against police you think it is.

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            2 days ago

            With one reply you start with backpedaling, then you suggest a moderate approach to the police problem.

            Has hoping that the problem would improve worked for us so far? People are being murdered everyday. When school shootings happen, the cops wait outside for the gunfire to stop before going in.

            Your moderate solutions and hoping for things to improve hasn’t fixed anything. We need a progressive solution or things are going to continue the way they always have.

            I’m sorry but your suggestions aren’t helpful and I won’t be listening to any more of them.

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              2 days ago

              I literally never said anything about police. I’m not trying to argue about police. Just that the world is in fact a safe place that continues to get safer. If the fact that the crime continues to drop, if that destroys your argument about police being bad, then maybe get a new argument about why police are bad. Crime is down. It’s just a statement of fact.

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                2 days ago

                Honey it was literally the topic of the discussion. Please stop backpedaling, it’s humiliating.