• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    that sounds like you dont understand or just dislike the process and conflate that with difficulty

    LOL and what exactly else would you call that? They’re random to me. I don’t know them, I don’t want to know them, I just want it to work like every other sensible OS where I can figure out how to complete basic tasks without needing a computer science degree. That’s what most people want and it’s why Linux will remain a niche OS by nerds and for nerds, because that’s the way they like it, which is fine, but let’s not try to gaslight people into believing there’s no reason people might want something else.

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      and what exactly else would you call that?

      I’d call it baby duck syndrome. I hate hunting for exes online to install the most basic software and how there’s no way to update all of my apps with a single click but I understand the way I’m used to isn’t the same as the best way.

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        I hate hunting for exes online to install the most basic software

        What are your talking about? You don’t need to “hunt” for anything. You just type it into a search engine the same way you would on Linux…?

        and how there’s no way to update all of my apps with a single click

        …have you just never heard of the Microsoft store? You wanna take a guess at what that is?

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          That’s not how you install stuff on Linux normally. For users like you who refuse to learn new methods, you should use you app store. That might be called Discover on your distro or maybe something else, but it’s probably there. You then search for the application and you’re done. It’s the same concept as Android (because they’re both Linux and sensible and are using a package manager).

          Alternatively you can use the terminal to search using the package manager and have it install it from there. I find that faster and easier than using a GUI, but the GUI option is there and dead simple and easy for people who can’t be asked to learn how to use the most basic tools on their computer.

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            That’s not how you install stuff on Linux normally

            It’s not how you “normally” install stuff on Windows or Mac either. But often times the software you need isn’t available in a package manager. If everything was available as a flatpak I would take it all back, but that doesn’t even remotely resemble reality.

            I find that faster and easier than using a GUI

            It is neither of those things. Objectively.

            the GUI option is there and dead simple and easy for people who can’t be asked to learn how to use the most basic tools on their computer.

            The phrase you’re looking for is “can’t be arsed” but you’re wrong anyway. The problem is not that we “can’t be arsed”, the problem is that it’s an unnecessarily convoluted and unintuitive process.

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              It is neither of those things. Objectively.

              Objectively, huh? This is beside the point that was being made, but you’re just trying to be obstinate. I can have a package installed by the terminal before Discover (the GUI for installing packages) even opens because it takes so long. Objectively it is faster. Subjectivity it’s easier for me.

              The phrase you’re looking for is “can’t be arsed”…

              You may be right, but it appears that both are common and people aren’t sure of the origin, and “can’t be asked” is potentially the original.

              The problem is not that we “can’t be arsed”, the problem is that it’s an unnecessarily convoluted and unintuitive process.

              And going to a website to download an executable to install a specific piece of software, which you need to give permission when executing to get through the firewall because (to your system) it’s just some random executable, isn’t? Then having that executable check for updates when launched and sending you to the website to download a new installer. Are you serious? Do you have Stockholm syndrome? Is Microsoft paying you?

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                Objectively, huh?

                Yes huh

                I can have a package installed by the terminal before Discover (the GUI for installing packages) even opens

                Just lying again. You’d have to go and search what words to type in first.

                And going to a website to download an executable to install a specific piece of software, which you need to give permission when executing to get through the firewall because (to your system) it’s just some random executable, isn’t?

                I don’t know what you aren’t understanding about this. All 3 OSs have package managers that function similarly. What I’m talking about is when the software is not available in the package manager

                Then having that executable check for updates when launched and sending you to the website to download a new installer

                You’ve really never used Windows before, have you? That’s once again not how it works. Maybe give it a go and come back after you’ve got some experience.

                Is Microsoft paying you?

                You could make an argument for such a thing insofar as time is money. And like they say “Linux is free so long as your time is worth nothing.”

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                  Just lying again. You’d have to go and search what words to type in first.

                  Lol. No. If I know the name of the package/application, then for me it’s just "sudo packman -S [name]

                  I don’t know what you aren’t understanding about this. All 3 OSs have package managers that function similarly. What I’m talking about is when the software is not available in the package manager

                  There is a package manager for Windows (WinGet I believe), it just isn’t commonly used, and definitely not by casual users.

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                    If I know the name of the package/application

                    How do you know it?

                    There is a package manager for Windows

                    Yes, that’s what I said.

                    WinGet I believe

                    LOL it’s just called Microsoft store, my dude.