• AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com
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    8 hours ago

    What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself

    Nazi Germany also murdered more than 10 million Russians, both civilians and soldiers, and had a literal genocidal plan against slavic peoples (Generalplan Ost), and yet they don’t support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Almost as if the whole “holocaust shame” thing was a myth, and it was used to manufacture consent towards Israel’s genocide of Palestinians.

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      8 hours ago

      As mentioned in one of my other comments: Yes, the Holocaust targeted other groups than Jews (Slavs, Romani, Gays, etc.). However, in learning about the Holocaust, there is usually a strong focus on Jews. In short, most people learn a lot about how Jews were targeted, and a lot of memorials and media focus on Jewish prosecution by the nazis.

      At the same time, Russia has been built up as an adversary since the beginning of the Cold War, and committed plenty of their own atrocities before, during, and after WWII. The same cannot be said about Romani, Gays, Jews, or other groups targeted during the Holocaust.

      With all this in mind, it’s not very hard to understand why “Holocaust guilt” is centered on Jews more than other groups, and why Russians are largely exempt from the feeling altogether. I’m not saying that’s fair or right, I’m saying it’s very understandable.

      On the other hand: I really don’t see any motive from Germanys side to support genocide on Palestinians. So my argument is essentially trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>. The only good explanation I’ve found is centred on “Holocaust guilt”, and the way it’s been portrayed and conveyed the past eighty years.

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        7 hours ago

        I understand your explanation, I just think it’s more believable that holocaust remembrance is most often focused on those who stand on the side of NATO

        trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>

        The overwhelming media directive of being pro-pissrael is in my opinion the more likely reason