What about Wikipeida? Internet Archive? All of the products/services that live on kickstarter/patreon/gofundme/etc?
People are more than willing to pay for the things that they love, but Mozilla knows that people wouldn’t be willing to pay enough to continue floating the Executive salaries. That’s why they don’t transition.
The orgs that are heavily dependent on federal funding as well as major corporate investors? That run the websites that the vast majority of people just think is free?
Again, we’ve seen how this plays out with Patreon et al. Everyone says it is totally viable because the ridiculously popular people make bank. And as more and more celebrities flock to it, there is less and less money for the “small creators” and so forth.
Also, Firefox and Thunderbird are backed by the Mozilla Foundation which is already doing exactly that.
I feel like I’m mis-understanding your argument. Are you saying that Mozilla can’t do things that other groups are already successfully doing, because “The popular people make too much money” doing it, and “They are already getting that via the Mozilla Foundation”?
The point is that they are already doing what those orgs are doing. They are dealing with a userbase that doesn’t want to give them money by getting large amounts from special interest groups and corporations.
Which is why the Wikimedia (?) Foundation pushed REAL hard for AI until basically the entire editorbase told them to fuck off.
But hey? There is obviously infinite money so yeah, I am sure if Mozilla drops all those corporate interests and just switches to an optional patreon they would have even MORE money than they already do and would have no need to placate said special interests.
The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn’t let them do that.
Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla’s resources.
It would be less money, but it would be more effective
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don’t.
Honestly? it sounds like you don’t care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So… maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
That’s not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn’t let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it’s executives.
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don’t.
Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn’t. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less
Honestly? it sounds like you don’t care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So… maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
I have. But you clearly didn’t read what I posted. If you aren’t going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?
Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague “Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better” nonsense. And the REAL problem is that… Thunderbird exists?
None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don’t actually show up to pay
What about Wikipeida? Internet Archive? All of the products/services that live on kickstarter/patreon/gofundme/etc?
People are more than willing to pay for the things that they love, but Mozilla knows that people wouldn’t be willing to pay enough to continue floating the Executive salaries. That’s why they don’t transition.
The orgs that are heavily dependent on federal funding as well as major corporate investors? That run the websites that the vast majority of people just think is free?
Again, we’ve seen how this plays out with Patreon et al. Everyone says it is totally viable because the ridiculously popular people make bank. And as more and more celebrities flock to it, there is less and less money for the “small creators” and so forth.
Also, Firefox and Thunderbird are backed by the Mozilla Foundation which is already doing exactly that.
I feel like I’m mis-understanding your argument. Are you saying that Mozilla can’t do things that other groups are already successfully doing, because “The popular people make too much money” doing it, and “They are already getting that via the Mozilla Foundation”?
That doesn’t make sense to me.
The point is that they are already doing what those orgs are doing. They are dealing with a userbase that doesn’t want to give them money by getting large amounts from special interest groups and corporations.
Which is why the Wikimedia (?) Foundation pushed REAL hard for AI until basically the entire editorbase told them to fuck off.
But hey? There is obviously infinite money so yeah, I am sure if Mozilla drops all those corporate interests and just switches to an optional patreon they would have even MORE money than they already do and would have no need to placate said special interests.
The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn’t let them do that.
Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla’s resources.
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don’t.
Honestly? it sounds like you don’t care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So… maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You’ll find it.
That’s not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn’t let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it’s executives.
Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn’t. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less
I have. But you clearly didn’t read what I posted. If you aren’t going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?
Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague “Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better” nonsense. And the REAL problem is that… Thunderbird exists?
None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don’t actually show up to pay
And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.