• floo@retrolemmy.com
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    9 hours ago

    Oh, I see. You just hate Apple.

    That doesn’t mean that macOS isn’t free. It is.

    By the way, when you buy pretty much any PC laptop, I’ve ever seen, the cost of the Windows license is definitely itemized on the invoice and receipt. Since macOS has no cost and is free, that’s why it’s not listed.

    Of course, all of those other components you listed are itemized on an Apple invoice, especially if you have to pay extra for upgrades.

    Your entire argument is nonsense

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      8 hours ago

      I own and use Apple products. That’s how I know you’re talking bollocks. You also realised at some point that you were talking bollocks, which is why you’re now pivoting to absolutely absurd responses to pretend this is some elaborate troll attempt.

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        8 hours ago

        I’m not pivoting to anything. Stating the same thing I always have: macOS is free.

        You’re welcome to try to prove otherwise, but since it’s an objective fact, you’re probably going to run to the same issues everyone else here has.

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          Your argument hinges on the fact that it doesn’t appear on your receipt. Neither do any of the components of my M1 Macbook Pro other than the optional extras that I selected. By your logic I only paid for the itemised extras.

          You’re arguing that any perks tied to a purchase aren’t actually factored into the cost, which is certainly a mindset that some people have and those people are the kinds of consumers that give marketers wet dreams.

          A “free” perk that has the implicit requirement of buying into the company’s ecosystem - whether through a software subscription or purchasing proprietary hardware - is not free. You’ve already paid into the ecosystem and there is no additional cost.

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            7 hours ago

            Your argument hinges on the fact that it doesn’t appear on your receipt

            No, it doesn’t. I was responding to your argument, putting out how it made no sense.

            You’re arguing that any perks tied to a purchase aren’t actually factored into the cost

            No, I’m not. others are arguing that it does affect the cost, however, no one has provided any evidence of this beyond speculation and guessing.

            A “free” perk that has the implicit requirement of buying into the company’s ecosystem - whether through a software subscription or purchasing proprietary hardware - is not free. You’ve already paid into the ecosystem and there is no additional cost.

            This is an opinion, not a fact. And it’s certainly not backed up by any evidence in this case.

            It give me only reason you think I’m wrong is because you have no idea what I said.

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              7 hours ago

              You know, if I made a statement and everyone responding disagreed with me or appeared to be misunderstanding me, I’d consider the quality of my own communication first before spending a day telling everyone else that they’re wrong or failing to understand me. You’re the common factor in all these discussions.

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                7 hours ago

                A small group of Internet strangers here is far from “everyone”. And this is the argument from popularity logical fallacy. Just because an idea is popular doesn’t mean it’s correct.

                And the objective factor means that macOS is free. There’s literally nothing anyone here can do to change that. And just because it hurts some people’s feelings, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

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                  7 hours ago

                  You’re right. All 8 billion people in the world aren’t telling you you’re wrong so it isn’t literally everyone. You’re the only person rejecting objective fact. People are quoting Apple’s license agreement. “nuh uh, free”. People are rebutting your top level “show me a receipt” comment. “I never mentioned receipts, you brought them up. Also nuh uh, free.” People are explaining the economics of perk systems. “No evidence that Apple applies this general economic theory to its business. Also nuh uh, free.”

                  You are evidently working with a definition of free that deviates from the commonly understood definition of the word, insofar that no one has yet agreed with you. You need to communicate better because what you are doing now isn’t working. Start by defining what you understand the word free to mean.

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                    6 hours ago

                    You seem really upset about this. So much that you just can’t let it go.

                    But the fact remains that macOS is free. And nothing you or anyone else has said will change that. I don’t know why you just keep wasting your time.