There already has been. But it turns out the ones that value “freedom of speech” and “libertarianism” all end up relatively small and isolated, or turn into Nazi bars.
The majority of us are fine with letting instances and communities censor what they want. You can always create your own if you don’t like the way others do it, or you can join one of the instances that have been cut off from the rest of the Fediverse.
I know. People are afraid to make them out of fear of defederation.
So there’s clearly not enough of a local audience for it. I know many instances have specific political bias that preclude certain arguments fron being advanced to varying degrees (such as lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, lemmy.dbzer0 etc) but there are also many general use instances amongst them, that are not defederated that really only ban people for hurling slurs and being abusive.
The modlogs should give some insight into how much demand there is for instances that won’t censor people.
Well, maybe, but given how a massive chunk of the modlog that you refer to here are just people having their posts removed for hurling abuse, making threats etc. How do you think those types, blacklisted from the ‘censored’ fediverse clustering all together on a single ‘free speech’ instance would go?
The fediverse as a whole is still tiny, so it may seem that getting defederated from the established instances is a death knell, but it isn’t.
If there’s enough people who want ‘free speech’ instances, they can easily organise if the numbers are supposedly there.
I agree. At some point we’re going to have to see a split between the heavily censored instances and the ones that let people say what they want.
There already has been. But it turns out the ones that value “freedom of speech” and “libertarianism” all end up relatively small and isolated, or turn into Nazi bars.
The majority of us are fine with letting instances and communities censor what they want. You can always create your own if you don’t like the way others do it, or you can join one of the instances that have been cut off from the rest of the Fediverse.
Really? Can you give some examples?
hilariouschaos
Checking their TOC, it looks like they don’t really value freedom of speech.
I don’t see a TOC on their frontpage
It’s there when you try to make an account.
There’s hardly any instances of any kind of size that aren’t ‘heavily censored’ (so to speak)
I know. People are afraid to make them out of fear of defederation.
Eventually, we’re going to have to accept that there will be different parts of the fediverse for different people. And that’s okay.
So there’s clearly not enough of a local audience for it. I know many instances have specific political bias that preclude certain arguments fron being advanced to varying degrees (such as lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, lemmy.dbzer0 etc) but there are also many general use instances amongst them, that are not defederated that really only ban people for hurling slurs and being abusive.
The modlogs should give some insight into how much demand there is for instances that won’t censor people.
The fediverse as a whole is still tiny, so it may seem that getting defederated from the established instances is a death knell, but it isn’t.
Well, maybe, but given how a massive chunk of the modlog that you refer to here are just people having their posts removed for hurling abuse, making threats etc. How do you think those types, blacklisted from the ‘censored’ fediverse clustering all together on a single ‘free speech’ instance would go?
If there’s enough people who want ‘free speech’ instances, they can easily organise if the numbers are supposedly there.
They would probably not be acceptable by people who approve of the current state of lemmy moderation, and that’s okay.
I just see it being a repetitive, boring troll infested collection of communities
It’s fine for you to think that.
It looks like you’re happy with how things are going, so it’s not really a concern for you.