Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.
Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren’t for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.
I can argue with you in at all because you’re alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it’s not a good argument either. “Nazis wouldn’t have exterminated me!”
I’m a Spaniard myself, if you ask some of my ancestors, “con Franco se vivía mejor”. You know, under a fascist dictatorship. So no, the “argument from authority by old people” isn’t convincing to me.
I wish the Soviets had liberated my country from fascism too, unfortunately my country is on the other side of the continent and the Soviet aid during the Spanish Civil War was insufficient (likely due to being the only country to sell weapons to the antifascists while Nazi Germany bombed them and the rest of the world looked the other way).
Again: on one hand I have the stories of my actual relatives who lived under and lost people to both nazi and communist terror, on the other hand I have an internet stranger, who doesn’t seem to be interested in anything that goes against their preconceived notions.
I suggest you spend your energy somewhere else, because your line of reasoning will be either insulting, or laughable to anyone in my position.
Sorry your relatives were fascists. My great grandfather got murdered by the reds in Spain and I don’t cry anticommunism on the internet because he probably deserved it. I only feel bad about having fascist ancestors.
The original term “tankie” refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.
China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of “tank man” is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.
nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.
Whataboutism
Says the person who
literally responded with “WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???” on my first comment 😅
asks “WHAT ABOUT Europe???” 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅
I’m sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like “But your state bad because XY”, followed by “But your state worse because of YZ”, but I don’t have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else…
Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.
As someone who grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, reading your characterization of the USSR is hilarious to me.
Imagine a Native American reading comments that are praising the US for how well they’ve done by them by giving them casinos.
Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren’t for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.
Make assumptions about me and my ancestry at our first interaction, I’m sure you will eventually convince someone you’re arguing in good faith.
I can argue with you in at all because you’re alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it’s not a good argument either. “Nazis wouldn’t have exterminated me!”
Well I hate to disappoint you, but for me the weight of your narrative pales in comparison to the first hand accounts of my actual ancestors.
Again: you have ancestors because of the Soviets.
I’m a Spaniard myself, if you ask some of my ancestors, “con Franco se vivía mejor”. You know, under a fascist dictatorship. So no, the “argument from authority by old people” isn’t convincing to me.
I wish the Soviets had liberated my country from fascism too, unfortunately my country is on the other side of the continent and the Soviet aid during the Spanish Civil War was insufficient (likely due to being the only country to sell weapons to the antifascists while Nazi Germany bombed them and the rest of the world looked the other way).
Again: on one hand I have the stories of my actual relatives who lived under and lost people to both nazi and communist terror, on the other hand I have an internet stranger, who doesn’t seem to be interested in anything that goes against their preconceived notions.
I suggest you spend your energy somewhere else, because your line of reasoning will be either insulting, or laughable to anyone in my position.
Sorry your relatives were fascists. My great grandfather got murdered by the reds in Spain and I don’t cry anticommunism on the internet because he probably deserved it. I only feel bad about having fascist ancestors.
Isn’t tankie describing when China used tanks against their own people? I thought it referenced Tiananmen Square.
The original term “tankie” refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.
China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of “tank man” is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.
So why is June 4th banned and you can’t talk about Tiananmen Square in China then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DbijSAH1-Q
Can you show me the particular moment in the 2h long video in which the tanks are firing on / rolling over protestors?
It’s towards the end.
Can you give me a timestamp?
Is this a chatgpt response for “List lots of advantages of positive things about the sowjet union and ignore the negative stuff”?
It was so successful that 4 districts of it decided to leave it in 1990 and 11 more in 1991.
Whataboutism and accusing me of being a chatbot, thats a 2 for 1!
If Euroep is so good, why did the entirety of Africa, Asia and Latin America have literal independence wars to leave it?
nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.
Says the person who
literally responded with “WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???” on my first comment 😅
asks “WHAT ABOUT Europe???” 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅
I’m sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like “But your state bad because XY”, followed by “But your state worse because of YZ”, but I don’t have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else…