Firefox has forks.
More like Sino-Soviet split. The big beef is with Chrome.
Brave is a piece of shit software, created by a piece of shit person.
Tabs on side and adblock is all i care about. I wish firefox management was doing less harm to firefox, but it’s still better than chrome.
They’re both fucking terrible, but I choose firefox.
Fuck off with your both sides bullshit.
One is a company trying to drive itself into the ground and getting stopped left and right by the 12 of us who still believe in the mission.
One is a homophobic crypto-scammer upset at getting kicked out of the other org.
You can go dildo yourself with your both suck bullshit.
Firefox is a sinking ship and Brave can suck my dick
Give us an alternative to FF and watch me sprint
there is none, unfortunately. the best you can do is Firefox forks. i use zen, some people use librewolf, but that doesn’t change the fact that Mozilla is getting worse every day. idk how we can get past that other than having another whole ass foundation that invests in a new browser.
From the Brave website:
Beyond this core engine, Brave has built in tons of custom features atop that open-source Chromium core:
- Built-in ad blocker
- YouTube ad blocker
- AI assistant
Yeah, no. I’ll stick with LibreWolf.
Yeah. That’s where I went. If AI is good enough - it should sell itself. All these browsers have plugins. I see no reason to bake it in unless there’s an alteror motive.
Everyone’s in a hurry to milk that AI cow… Its a shame about the taste tho.
Not to mention that the CEO of Brave is a homophobic bigot. Good enough for me to boycott as a cis het male.
Edit 2:
I derped. See below. Speed reading and alcohol make for a less than ideal combination. The eggnog is still tasty though. Leaving it up for transparency.
het male
You can call somone a bigoted piece of shit without literally including a group who have fuck all to do with him or his shit opinions. Let’s be better than the exact thing you are calling out. I was with you right up to the last two words which were utterly unnecessary.Edit:
On second reading I’m not clear on the intent of the last statement. I’ll ammend my statement after clarification 👍
I don’t need to explain myself to you, but I will indulge you nonetheless because of the message I’m trying to spread, even though your attitude off the bat really sucked. 😛
I added it because I want to normalize that you can support something or boycott something even though not doing so doesn’t affect you directly. You can stand up for something because it’s right, not just because you stand to gain something from it.
It’s meant to normalize solidarity, which we see very little of in today’s humanitarian and political climate.
I hope that satisfies you and maybe think one step further before jumping to criticize so quickly. You did make an edit but it didn’t do too much with its demanding tone.
Happy continuation of the holidays to you.
Considering the edit I made after rereading it - I had difficulty determining if you were firing shots or describing yourself. Speed reading and eggnog mix about as well as one would expect. In short - I’m not here to pick a fight where there isn’t one.
I’m perfectly happy that my original interpretation was incorrect and will amend my comments as my edit suggested. I understand a lot of marginalized groups are frequently hurt and can lash out generically against the group that hurt them. Its not fun being included in that - which was the intent of my original statement.
Appreciate the reply - cheers and well wishes. 👍
No worries, you owned up to the mistake in a very nice manner. We’re cool, you’re a good person.
Happy new years, eh!
I’ll admit my booze and nutmeg loaded brain tripped over the acronyms and by the time it processed I’d posted and moved on. A moment later: “holdup…”
Apologies for the mistake again - and here’s hoping 2026 is kind to us 🍻
Much love into 2026. Enjoy it, buddy!
If you want a low-drama setup: Firefox + uBlock Origin + tweak Enhanced Tracking Protection to ‘Strict’. Brave is solid too, but I’ve had a few sites act weird with the defaults.
Solidly mining crypto on your machine, correct.
And do that on librewolf or waterfox
But there was AI nearby so it’s forever cOnTaMiNaTeD like radiation. 🙄
what about brave vs duckduckgo?
I use duck duck go. I’m sure someone will come now and say why it sucks lol
I just dislike any company which advertises their free product, my mind just says “but how do they earn money?”.
I.E. I had the same thought with Honey…
I’d rather have this clash of the titans than whatever the fuck Chrome does next.
Everybody sucks but you really should be cheering for Firefox in such a fight. Even now.
Fuck that, Waterfox
Stupid argument. None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox. You should still cheer for Firefox
You can do both
But you dont
I support the Firefox Ideal, but don’t support the new direction.
So !waterfox@programming.dev works best for me.
And Firefox do have telemetry for whose using the forks anyhow, so they know when they lose customers due to their terrible decisions
None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox
Right, let me rephrase “no Firefox fork worth using has any chance to maintain meaningful existence without upstream Firefox”
I’m sure many forks will go on surviving from scraps if Firefox disappeared tomorrow. But they wouldn’t get anything useful done.
Let me put this into perspective, Microsoft (a trillion dollar company that would benefit enormously from rolling their own browser engine) didn’t have the resources for maintaining a browser engine.
See related: pfsense and opnsense.
Its entirely possible for a fork to survive if the cause is supported. Both things can still exist provided there is interest and support.
Switching browsers isn’t hard. For now, personally, I’ll take the fork that isn’t trying to literally be the “yo dog…” meme.
A for-profit company “not having resources” usually means that the product department decided it’s not worth investing. Doesn’t tell us anything about the actual effort required to maintain such a software.
Yes, but you can think for yourself and you and Amy product manager know how much they would benefit (just as much as Google and Apple, other for profit companies of the same caliber) and you know they would have the means to produce such software (just like Apple and Google). So, knowing that they still decided it’s not worth the investment, you can infer that the cost would be immense.
Also, all the other points still stand.
Firefox, the AICentric browser of the future! We are here to fuck you over just like everyone else!
Firefox one of the few browsers that lets you turn off the shitty ai features vs brave the browser that forses shit down your throat uses you to crptomine and is owned by a bigoted piece of shit!
Apparently Brave already does this by default.
GenAi Centric browser that uninstalls itself with an GenAi kill switch :p
(but for real: firefox is nice because its not chromium and allows nicer firefox based browsers)
My main criteria for a browser is not being Chrome or Chromium based.
This leaves my only options being Firefox and it’s forks.
Or Microsoft Edge which stifles laughter I’m not gonna do.
Currently on Firefox but might give Librewolf a try.
Edit: I’ve been told Edge is also Chromium based now, the Firefox ecosystem really is the last holdout huh?
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There’s always Netscape…
Firefox and maybe Ladybird (if it doesn’t turn into vaporware)
As alternatives to webkit/chromium/gecko browsers go, I like ladybird’s speed of progress and their mentality of doing everything themselves (no external dependencies), but Kling’s political views are concerning. Servo is going slower but still making progress (fell behind in implementing web standards), and both are kinda terrible in terms of speed afaik
Edge has been Chromium based since 2020.
What was it based on before that? When windows 10 initially launched. I know old edge sucked, but what engine did it use?
EdgeHTML
They should open source it.
Uhhh, Internet explorer?
No, the initial versions of Edge used a new engine that was different from Internet Explorer’s Trident engine.
Edge is Chromium-based. It’s also not (functionally) half bad, because, well, it’s chromium based, but that obviously comes with all the other drawbacks
It’s moreso that it’s under Microsoft’s thumb. See all the tech companies are unreliable and out for you data but Microsoft also consistently fumbles on everything. They made Windows and Office then just stopped doing anything new and kept making their old products worse.
Xbox is practically dead, they bought Minecraft and you can feel the vultures circling overhead, even the AI bubble they’re just funding OpenAI and making slight adjustments for their own versions.
I’m planning on jumping ship to Linux when I make a new PC. Only thing Microsoft I even consider using nowadays is VScode.
You can jump to vscodium if you want code but without telemetry
without*
I use both librewolf and water fox and love them both
Waterfox has been great so far!
You have Safari and its forks.
Palemoon is another option.
Lol, nobody uses Safari, not even iOS users
Some Gnome users do.
Ah yes, iOS users, famously tech savvy.
Brand Tribalism only supports the brands, don’t fall for their bullshit.
iOS and Android and Microsoft and Linux users are all just as smart as each other.
I said tech savvy, not smart. This isn’t brand tribalism, it comes directly from what you are and aren’t able to do with the OS compared to alternatives.
You can install other browsers without being tech savvy, it was legally mandated that they allow it after them and Microsoft got sued for anti-competition laws by the EU
I wasn’t just referring to browsers, I was referring to the design philosophy as a whole and the type of users it draws.
Safari breaks everything though. Tons of sites out there flat out do not work properly with safari and at this point we all know that’s intentional.
I just found out they’re like that. It turns out both browsers showcase their respective features.
I think both are equally good for me, it just depends on how you use them. Although their engines are different, Gecho and Chromium.
Aren’t the developers of Brave a bunch of homophobic assholes?
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
Not to mention it already has AI built into it, while everyone is busy freaking out about Firefox even mentioning plans to roll out their own.
Have you worked in IT before? Find me a Dev who isn’t a psychopath with a bunch of skeletons in their closet.
But yeah Brave does suck, last I tried it.
About 9/10 of my coworkers are definitely not psychopaths. The last one though…
The sample size is about 150 pure devs if that matters.
They usually promote that last one to management too.
I’ve heard 1/10 people of every workforce are psychopaths, but I work with 9 other people and none of them are psychopaths. 🤷🏻♂️
Beating the odds, probably!
Explain to me how writing software makes you a bigot.
I didnt say bigot, but I’m sure some are!
I’ve worked in IT and the worst I ever came across was basically Ron Swanson with a temper. Hardly a psychopath.
Maybe its a regional thing!
I’m in Ohio. Our leading export is serial killers.
Literally my entire adult life 🤷♂️ choose better employers or employees
Exactly. It’s not hard to choose not to work for assholes.
Yeah, most people in IT think they are good people too. Thats funny isn’t it?
Just sounds like a way for someone to rationalize being a piece of shit without any basis in reality.
Not excusing it, just noticing it.
Well I’m glad you aren’t excusing your own behavior, but I’m that case you should probably work on changing it.
You should probably not tell complete strangers how to live their lives.
I have indeed, and yes, a lot of devs are a bit shady, but this doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be called out…
> talks about monetizing your data
> monetizes your data
Brave still doing that fucking crypto shit in your browser?
Ah, so the classic “Every accusation a confession.”
Thought this was sort of a wild claim about Firefox out of left field. No wonder.
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
I had a coworker excitedly tell me that he had earned a total of $12 MXN ($0.67 USD) from Brave. 🤦♂️
Shit, we’re eating like kings tonight!
Its strictly opt in. Brave asks once then you never see it again.
BETTER IT NOT EXIST AT ALL
If I went to a restaurant, they placed a hot steaming stinky turd sandwich on my table and then went “oh, but you don’t have to have it”, I still wouldn’t fucking eat there.
Why should we be okay with the Turd Sandwich that is crypto being served by Brave being opt-in???
That’s not how restaurants work dude. It’s more akin to being asked if you want to hear today’s specials before you order.
There’s a thing called metaphor. A hyperbolic one in this case.
I know that’s not how restaurants work.
And no, it’s not like being asked about the specials, as they don’t cook it and serve it without asking first.
They bring out the hot fresh steaming crypto shit sandwich to you whether you want it or not, and then go “oh, but you don’t have to have it, if you don’t want”
Your metaphor sucks. I don’t think you know how restaurants work. They don’t bring you food until after you order.
