• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is not true according to the Bible.

    It says we are “born in sin” and unworthy of God, only by accepting baby Jesus do we become pure enough for God to tolerate us.

    Also, God created Satan, with full knowledge of what he would be, so even if you were right, God would be the source of Satan (and sin).

    “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” ~Isaiah 45:7

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      That’s the King James Version, an old translation, the meaning of “evil” has changed. A better translation of it would be “calamity” or “disaster” which God does do to punish sin.

      Sure, God had knowledge Satan would turn against Him, but you could also give birth to a child with knowledge that it’ll have a disability. That’s not the same as giving it a disability.

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        The King James version was good enough for God for millennia, so it’s good enough for me.

        You could say the “disaster/calamity” of the Great Flood (for example) is different from “evil” if you’d like. That amuses me, go on

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            Oh no I haven’t memorized the release date of one of the billions of books

            I’m so embarrassed!

            CORRECTION: The King James version was good enough for God for more than four hundred years, so it’s good enough for me.

            You should also give the year and month and day, but I don’t want to be pedantic (wink)

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              23 hours ago

              The King James Version was written in 1600s English. The meaning of words have changed a lot over that time period. You can’t just say the meaning of the Bible changes because the English language has changed. That’s just stupidity. The modern translation of that word is closer to “calamity”

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                19 hours ago

                That’s neat. Meanwhile, explain to me how the “calamity” of the Great Flood was not evil, or how the “calamity” in Hell for all eternity is not evil, or how killing everyone on Earth who doesn’t bow to Jesus is not evil (Revelation), and so on.

                He’s the source of all evil (and calamity), there is no evil without God. It’s stupid to think anything else. So stupid.

                God says He is the source of all evil. Are you calling Him a liar? Your “talking point” is an absurdity.

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                  19 hours ago

                  Same reason as why sending someone to prison for committing murder isn’t evil. It is justice. Punishing evil isn’t evil. It’s Justice. And God is Perfect, therefore He’s Perfectly Just.

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                    Tell me more about punishing evil infants.

                    1 Samuel 15:2-3

                    Thus says the Lord of hosts: I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”

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                    19 hours ago

                    There’s no justice in Hell.

                    There’s no justice in the Apocalypse.

                    He’s perfectly evil, and He hangs out with Lucifer and makes bets and tortures people for sport.

                    He said so. Are you calling God a liar?

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        The difference being that parents don’t literally create every aspect of their child with the perfect knowledge of exactly what it will do. God does. To imply God didn’t intend for Satan to do what he did means you have to throw away either all-knowing or all-powerful for your idea of God.