The (claimed) source:
https://github.com/deepseek-ai
Investigating further I can see it is NOT open source. All the articles saying that are lying, probably unknowingly just as I believed the claim, they probably did too, and I’m NOT being sarcastic!
I have no idea why publishing these “weights” is considered open source, it has nothing to do with Open Source as defined by OSI, which I believe has a historical right to the term.
I apologize.
your changing the definition of open source software.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
The tide has turned. With the December 2024 launch of DeepSeek’s free-for-all V3 large language model (LLM) and the January 2025 release of DeepSeek’s R1 (the AI reasoning model that rivals the capabilities of OpenAI’s O1), the open-source movement started by Chinese firms has sent shockwaves through Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
And:
DeepSeek, adopting an open-source approach was an effective strategy for catching up, as it allowed them to use contributions from a broader community of developers.”
I’ve read similar descriptions in other articles, seems your claim is false.
OpenAI and such are working overtime to lock customers in.
Of course they are, I just thought they hadn’t figured out how yet. 🤥
Oracle doesn’t need a bailout, they are loaded, and can afford this loss. But of course an investment not being as profitable as they promised means the stock goes down. It’s not like the company is anywhere near being in trouble.
The dataset is massive and impractical to share, and a dataset may include bias and conditions for use, and the dataset is a completely separate thing from the code. You would always want to use a dataset that fit your needs. From known sources. It’s easy to collect data. Programming a good AI algorithm not so much.
Saying a model isn’t open source because collected data isn’t included is like saying a music player isn’t open source, because it doesn’t include any music.
EDIT!!!
TheGrandNagus is however right about the source code missing, investigating further, the actual source code is not available. and the point about OSI (Open Source Initiative) is valid, because OSI originally coined the term and defined the meaning of Open Source, so their description is per definition the only correct one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
Open source as a term emerged in the late 1990s by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term “free software” and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[14] In addition, the ambiguity of the term “free software” was seen as discouraging business adoption.[15][16] However, the ambiguity of the word “free” exists primarily in English as it can refer to cost. The group included Christine Peterson, Todd Anderson, Larry Augustin, Jon Hall, Sam Ockman, Michael Tiemann and Eric S. Raymond. Peterson suggested “open source” at a meeting[17] held at Palo Alto, California, in reaction to Netscape’s announcement in January 1998 of a source code release for Navigator.[18] Linus Torvalds gave his support the following day
Your ignorance is not a valid point.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week as the upstart faces greater rivalry from Google, threatening its ability to monetize its AI products and meet its ambitious revenue targets.
Interesting that even Sam Altman is worried now!
AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.
Seems to me a problem for the sky high profits could be that it is hard to make AI lock in, like is popular with much software and cloud services. But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.
It’s nice that it will probably be impossible for 1 company to monopolize AI, like Microsoft did with operating systems for decades.
Not originally no, at least not here in Denmark in the mid 80’s. Nobody called them floppy among the people and dealers I knew, and I knew a lot of people who were computer enthusiasts. I also knew several dealers, since we used more than a thousand diskettes per month, to distribute software. I think the bad habit of using wrong terms didn’t really happen until the computer illiterate began to use computers too, either for work or for early internet.
People who called them floppy came later, and were mostly people that might as well have called them thingies.
I don’t think cat calling is by old men, on the contrary, it’s overwhelmingly young men or boys.
The black and orange are 8" and 5.25" floppy disks. The blue one is a 3.5" diskette. There was also a 3" diskette that was widely used for instance by Amstrad. It was very similar to 3.5" with the built in shutter for protection of the disk.
But the official name for 3½ inch was “Micro diskette” ergo **diskette" was a short form adopted, and calling it floppy is IMO technically wrong.
There were several differences between a floppy and a diskette, that made the diskette superior in practical use, as mentioned the shutter made the diskette easier to handle, as it didn’t need to be taken in and out of sleeves when used, it was easier to transport in for instance a school bag, because of the more sturdy harder plastic, and the metal shutter is way more solit than the paper sleeve used for floppies. 3 and 3½" also had a tab for enabling write protection and removing it again indefinitely, unlike the clumsy taping over the notch on a 5.25" floppy.
There is no way 3" and 3.5" are called floppy, their correct name is diskette.
Obviously they are not hard disks, that’s even worse than calling them floppies.
But many people already back when they were at their height, misnamed diskettes as floppies, so the more accurate naming scheme never really stuck, and today diskette is called a floppy even on Wikipedia. 🤡
Similarly a drive for 3" and 3,5 inch diskettes is called a diskette drive not a floppy drive, which obviously is for floppies.
I 100% agree, but some would consider that a matter of ideology.
The other point about dependency on USA when they are acting with hostility is more pragmatic.
99% of people don’t understand all the reason why open source is better for public services, except if we can say it’s cheaper. That’s the one point they understand, and the one point Microsoft has been attacking most with their propaganda against open source.
This is great, But using Microsoft Windows should be illegal for public services in EU.
We can no longer allow ourselves to depend on American IT infrastructure.
I understand your frustration, but the fault is not entirely hers, the real problem is that USA has a very flawed democracy, with only 2 realistic options to vote for, where better democracies have both more and better options.
The fault was also with the democrats and Biden and Harris for failing to realize they were in the wrong position morally.
I absolutely hate that “we” got Trump, but Ilhan Omar remains an ally against him, not an enemy.
By “we” I mean the world, because I am not American. But Trump has done a lot of harm outside USA too.
My guess is it could lead to paranoia.
The USA now has death penalty just for being suspected of a crime without evidence.
USA is a rogue nation.
We’ve known for a long time that FIFA is corrupt as hell and has no morals, this is just another confirmation of that fact.
Trump lies all the time, whether he needs to or not. So you can’t use obvious lying as a tell:
And that’s not what I’m doing, I don’t give a shit about what the lying toddler spews, but it’s not just Trump, it’s also memo’s from doctors, and white house statements.
Also everybody claims he has had at least 2 extra MRI’s this year. Nobody is mentioning any other form of scan that I have seen. AFAIK the MRI thing is a factual confirmed thing at least in 2 recent cases. There are rumors there are more, but those are not confirmed.
The White House released a statement from President Donald Trump’s physician that said the MRI scan Trump received during his physical was “preventative” and the results were “perfectly normal.”
That’s when we know for sure.
Oh I didn’t detect any snarkiness, just you being to the point, which is a thing I appreciate.
But I’m often considered impolite. I think it’s a culture thing.
But I must admit I am annoyed by you contradicting me, but it’s even worse that you were right.
I find that generally offensive.
So I’ll go sulk in corner for a few minutes. 😜 😋 🤣