Interesting about buprenorphin in Finland, I had never heard of it. Is it a recent thing there?

Depends on how you define recent I think, but in most senses of the word, no, not that recent.

We had a bit of a heroin problem in the 90’s apparently (I wasn’t yet in any sort of drug rings as a kid so wouldn’t know myself) and the legend is that actual organised crime in Finland got fed up with heroin and the decided it won’t be sold in Finland anymore. There still is heroin definitely but it’s genuinely fucking rare, especially compared to weed, speed, lsd, etc.

An definitely subutex, which is the buprenorphin. It’s only a partial agonist and there’s narcan in it as well, so it’s impossible/extremely hard to od on it fatally.

In France they cost like 1e a pill here you can sell them for 80. Then you see oxys being sold sometimes, they go for about 1e/mg, so if you buy a mild 10mg it’s a tenner but an 80mg pill would be 80e.

The bupre junkies do get nasty though in health and share needles and all that is still a risk for them, but they won’t accidentally od unlike someone shooting up heroin or fentanyl

Some of them made movie about their life. Then like 6 years later the “protagonist” of that movie was found dead hanging by an extension cord somewhere in Thailand. Suicide or drug debt no-one knows.

If you don’t like seeing people actually inject themselves, with all the “reversing” as well (idk what the term is in English, but junkies sometimes draw back on the needle, so blood shoots back to the syringe and then push again, to flush every little bit of the drug from the syringe).

Reindeerspotting - Escape from Santaland 2010

This documentary tells the story of Jani, a 19-year-old drug addict living on social welfare among with his friends. Tired of his life in a remote city in Rovaniemi, he decides to travel by train to various parts of Europe …

You can legally buy 90% spirits that are stronger anyway.

You can, but for instance here in the Nordics, it’s every much harder than just getting a bottle of 40-50%abv from the store.

Estonia sells quite a lot of high abv vodka, but we Finns really don’t have everclear or an equivalent of that, and that’s common in of populations that got hard booze later. As in actually drinkable hard liquor is only about 500 or so years old, although some exited for medical purposes almost 700 years ago.

So if I walk into an Alko in Finland, I won’t find anything stronger than 60%, and those in very small bottles. The strongest drinks in larger bottles are like at most 50-55%.

But you can order rums that are up to 72% and something like 80% vodka perhaps.

But no, Nordics mostly can’t actually legally purchase quality 90% ethanol. And it’s because the stronger drinks came here later which is why we have a bit more alcoholism. It’s just evolution honestly. That’s why also a lot of native American populations have problems with alcohol, because it was introduced relatively recently and the fast evolution is yet to cull out the worst drunks. Sounds super racist but it’s true for us Nords as well, we only got hard liquor properly like 200 years ago when anglosaxons had it for around five centuries.

So Tldr the point is regulation does matter quite a lot. It doesn’t completely prevent and whatnot. But neither does banning murder prevent murder yet we’re alright.

People want to get inebriated, but not lose control. So if the regulations help with that, there’s less losing control, ie less abuse.

Just imagine how horrible it would be if there’s was no regulations in traffic, licenses to drive, etc,

And usually watching US traffic I am kinda horrified by the people you allowed to drive — and don’t even have regulations to have studded tires in winter or winter tyres without studs,

We have to drive on a soap-oil course / water-ice course to get our licences.

So while I disliked bureaucracy and authorities currently in power and whatnot, I can see the benefit of regulations.

Edit today i haven’t taken ambien, just rum and glög

Tbf there are actually drugs which help with those things.

Theyre usually the illegal ones.

Just compare the US to literally everywhere else in the developed world and try saying again blaming the Sacklers is “a copout”.

to use something because we WANT to.

That’s addiction. Addiction and dependence are two different things. I’ve used literally all the drugs there are and never had a proper problems with any of them. Abused a few on rare occasion but never anything too problematic.

Regulation is key to controlling what addicts are allowed.

Thats why it’s good that the liquor store doesn’t sell you a gallon of vodka when you’ve been drunk for a week and can’t stand on your feet.

Pick up the kids cook dinner and do it all again. Just do subsist and breed the next gen of sheep to be sheared. THATS who you blame.

That’s LITERALLY who the Sacklers are blaming, not me.

“We have to hammer on the abusers in every way possible. They are the culprits and the problem. They are recklessly criminals.” - Richard Sackler in his deposition.

I don’t blame the abusers. I blame the system which allows people like the Sacklers to pull shit like this. None of this shit is going away before all drugs are legalised in a properly regulated way.

I think they’re actually worse than the cartels. Are the cartels more violent and scary? For sure. Do they pull off heinous crimes? Yeah.

But…

Do they have to, in order to stay in business? Yes. Did Purdue Pharma have to? Not in the slightest.

What I mean by that is that Purdue made all it’s money at least somewhat legally. A doctor who took bribes from them and pushed Oxycontin knowing it wasn’t actually as legit — as in “doesn’t cause addiction”, pushing the medication to pretty much whoever from teenagers to grandparents, unsuspecting people in need of medical advice — is arguably of poorer moral character than a dealer selling cocaine to people who know they’re buying cocaine.

And what I mean by the cartels having no choice is that whilst I definitely don’t agree with the violence, I can understand that without it, they’d have practically no control over the trade. If however, they were given the option of actually doing it legally, I think they might give up the violence. Or at least the trade would shift away from it, because it would mean that legit cocaine traders would have the justice system and law on their side. Currently it doesn’t mean much in South-America I think, because the cartels are just so big, powerful and violent. But with time.

Responsible people should even be allowed to use those drugs. But like with alcohol, there should be products which aren’t just as pure as they can get. Like I compared earlier, buprenorphin is to hard cider as fentanyl is to moonshine.

It’s very different having a few beers which are 5% alc than downing a glass of moonshine. Same with so called “hard drugs”. I wouldn’t fuck with opiates too much, but with the proper regulation, I think even those should be allowed, and if they were, they’d eat the legal market of poisons away. Ask yourself, when’s the last time you had a chance to buy illegally made alcohol? It’s not too often that that happens. But illegally made class A drugs? Can get them about anywhere in the world.

And especially for drugs like cocaine, milder versions would be fantastic, as people could still have plenty, just wouldn’t get as affected. Like how you wouldnt’ really be able to kill yourself by drinking 4% beer. It’s just incredibly hard to get an alcohol poisoning from that because how mild it is. But with wine, it’s possible yet unlikely, but with something like 40% vodka/whisky/rum, it’s almost probable if you don’t know how much you should drink and you’re a teenager or something and with moonshine it’s almost inevitable if you actually force yourself to drink the stuff.

So for cocaine I’d say something which is perhaps a bit stronger than just coca leaves, or equivalent, but nowhere near pure face-numbing cocaine.

Bring back real Coke! Original recipe! (Coca-Cola Company is btw the largest legal producer of cocaine in the world, they still make it during the process but just sell it off to… ‘pharmaceutical companies’, or that’s what I’ve heard.)

edit sorry for the essay I just saw your reply after taking a half an ambien so I rambled a bit

Casual reminder that the Sackler family pretty much single-handedly manufactured the American opioid-crisis.

Dopesick this is basically as much of a documentary as “Chernobyl” was. Highly based in real events, but still a dramatizatio so not everything is 100% accurate, but the large lines are.

Sure opioids get used a bit elsewhere as well but I live in the worst part of my city and while there is opioid abuse in Finland, it’s mostly “just” buprenorphin addicts. Buprenorphin is to fentanyl what hard cider is to moonshine, more or less. Yes you can technically kill yourself with both and definitely have a problem with the substance and ruin your life, but the stronger one seems to do that quite a bit more.

bits of Richard Sackler’s actual deposition, acted out by your choice of the following: Bryan Kranston, Michael Keaton, Richard Kind and Michael K. Williams

You like it?

He said the grampa was the last to be born in the 1900’s. Not that they had a childhood in the 1900’s. Then they’re ask about the person’s experiences growing up in the 90’s. They’re don’t assert he had any.

And they wouldn’t. The last person born in the 1900’s was probably someone born a few seconds to midnight. I remember there being several competitions or promotions (on national levels, not global so timezones don’t really come into it in most countries) or some such for the first kid born in the new millenium.

Nah actually it was on a global level as well, my bad. Here’s an image of the google.com search to see some headlines so you don’t need to bother

The point being that because a lot of people were aiming for midnight at new years, and you have to start the project 9 months earlier, there’d have been quite a lot of “just a little too early”. Definitely more born in the days 30.12.1999-02.01.2000 than 30.12.1995-02.01.1996, I would wager. (I don’t have the data on that but one would imagine it’s available at least in parts.)

Personally I find it weird we pretend it’s even remotely acceptable or fun at any point.

Yeah yeah leopards eating faces is a good source of schadenfreude, but I don’t think anyone actually found it humourous and entertaining when these were announced.

It’s just the coping mechanism we use over things we don’t have control of.

But at least in the countries claiming to be democratic, we really do have an option, it just requires a lot of cooperation. And since we’re just doomscrolling I don’t think anyone will ever get there.

It’s like we’re scared of being mocked if we treat anything that’s going on in the world as a serious and urgent problem.

A citron is a specific fruit that looks really funky

I don’t see how those look funky. Could I get a comparison? If you were at mine and told me to fetch a lemon from the store, that’s what I’d bring.

Edit okay maybe that’s actually knobblier than the ones in the shop. In Finnish that would be “sukaattisitruuna”

Trippy pic bro

But if youre speaking in the normal direction, how then do you ‘turn a phrase’? O.o

The most common command is "Draw a clock face, put in all the numbers, and set the time to ten minutes past eleven

The newer generations would fail this, haha.

This is probably a clickbait site but for reference

https://scoop.upworthy.com/20-percent-of-gen-z-teens-cant-tell-time-on-an-analog-clock

Well it’s simple. The US just didn’t want to give slavery away, because then they’d have had no production capabilities to compete on international markets.

So that’s why the US has the highest % of prisoners in the world. US prison population is similar size as China’s prison population and there’s 4x as many people in China.

1.7 million prisoners. That’s like 1/100 adults.

And once you go in, even for a small crime, your probably just end up doing worse shit inside. The recidivism rate in the US is crazy.

Planets Only - Adult Swim

Young, dumb, and not-orbiting a sun… ;)

Yeah sure. But to think that Trump can alter International law by changing the US constitution is kinda silly.

Wasn’t it basically like now, unlike, say, the 1890s?

That’s not how international law works, dipshit.

Eh I’ve watched the HP movies quite a lot, can’t remember Hermione having a line like that.

But I do remember seeing a ton of “Love and Marriage” reruns in the late 90’s early 00’s.

I’m a millenial as well.

Also, Modern Family has been on for a long time now.

And those aren’t the only shows Al Bundy has done