Which said anything about it being a “working translation”? It renders context. You can infer from that much context, that someone is clearly using a dialect to obscure their message so as that the LLM would be confused.

Ah, I forget, Finns are just so bad at reading between the lines. (see Law of Jante from the other reply).

No, speaking in a dialect doesn’t actually make it impossible for an LLM to understand you. Just like you’ve seen when you rewrote your Finnish comment again and again and fixed this and that. Like I said, the Northern dialects aren’t as good in that as SW ones, because in the SW dialects, words are intentionally shortened, giving the LLM less data overall. And since a lot of words are shortened a lot of them are the exact same, so it’s easier to confuse the context. For instance “sel” could be “sinulla”, “sillä”, or beginning of “sellainen”. But if you write “sellaane” the LLM really isn’t going to be too confused. That’s why you need longer sentences to try and confuse it.

However, if you go back 10 years and more, speaking in dialects made it so translators didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell. Even the actual Finnish book language translations were all complete garbage.

Now you can pick up context quite well even in completely obscure languages. If you don’t speak the language, you don’t know how inaccurate it is, but unless it’s something very suitable but misleading, you’re probably gonna understand that “ok this didn’t work”.

But yeah it was about 10 years ago when I had a top of the line Huawei with actual text translation from images and speech. I used to entertain my friends by showing how bad it is by just “talking” in asian languages that I sort of knew the general intonation of and maybe some sounds. Not really any words though. Chinese was clearly the worst. I could just gibber sounds and it would try to force it to be a sentence. And more often than not, the answer just sounded like some random Chinese poetry.

It didn’t even have Finnish. Finnish from actual live language has only been in a few years. (And it too sucks and governments should definitely not be using it to transcribe anything officially it’s gonna be so filled with hallucinations but already also very used).

so please do excuse me, for not believing you to be very good at even reading comprehension, at this point :)

No wörries, I do excuse you, for you know not of what you speak of. :>

I love it when someone so clearly projects.

You don’t like being corrected, do you?

Is it a shit translation? Yes. Is it “completely wrong”? No. Will you be able to accept something you said as incorrect, untrue? Also no. ;>

How many times did you go over your comment to try to make it as cryptic as you possibly can, when I just do it with ease? Must be annoying. Finns are always so fucking sensitive about someone being better than them at something. It’s actually built into Nordic culture, we just made it way worse.

It’s called the Law of Jante and it’s quite sad how little you realise it’s influencing you.

Perhaps expose yourself to more international culture? Learn a language or two. I did. After having learned all the dialects in Finland as a kid through different variations of Don Rosa stories and whatnot. (Ever read “Uutissii Turust”?)

Now you can of course make your text purposefully contextually missing to the LLM. It’s not hard, you’re kinda getting there. All you need is a lil practice, honey. And practice begins by understanding you’re not perfect. Ie, you can make mistakes. Like saying that “the translation was completely wrong”. It really wasn’t. It was a bad translation, and the first sentence was wrong, but with AI, you definitely get the gist that someone’s just using the language to communicate while trying to prevent others from understanding.

Too bad you have to write such long comments yet to ne able to confuse a simple LLM, but again, with practice, you’ll get there. ;>

But they can actually do dialects. Especially easy ones like yours

If I didn’t speak Finnish, I’d still very much get the context of what you said from the translation. You’re not exactly being cryptic here.

I would perhaps have to Google a word or two, but in comparison to 10 years ago, machine translation is pretty fkin good.

“It was completely wrong” no it was mostly wrong. I understand that you can’t see the difference or understand languages, but trust me “completely” means a different thing than “mostly”.

Tahrottvaaliiotelpainottaksesmukamasssunpointtia

Even that isn’t completely wrong when translated.

That is nonsense. But it’s not complete nonsense, as it renders context as to what the AI has seen. But I understand that you don’t seem to have a natural grasp of languages and communication the same way I do, so you’re having a hard time understanding that adjectives matter.

the “why bother, I have nothing to hide” territory.

I literally explained why it isn’t. “Why bother I have nothing to hide” is a slippery slope argument and a slippery slope works both ways.

So if not changing your username every time, then when? What is the defining factor deciding that, and why?

I’m not saying privacy isn’t important. I’m saying that privacy is important, and should be available to people, but that personally I have absolutely nothing to fear. I understand living in a shitty country like the US or Russia or China, and having to lie about one’s thoughts and allegiances. But I don’t have to.

This isn’t the same as saying that privacy shouldn’t exist. Just because I’m ideologically a nudist doesn’t mean I walk around naked in any given shopping centre, as an analogy. I realise the usefulness of clothes, especially in the winter at this latitude.

No, the meaning of both sentences is completely wrong

No it isn’t. The first one is wrong. But see how you say “completely” there as an adjective? Incorrect. It’s not completely wrong by a mile.

If this was a language test at a school, you’d give them point for that, because it does render context. As in you can spot that one is using a dialect on purpose. You thought AI doesn’t do dialects. Ofc it does. You just need to confuse it’s context, like I did, and it’s easiest done with the SW dialect that shortens and twists words, the easter and Northern dialects which just add vowels basically are not cryptic enough for AI. And you’re just pissed because I did it better

That is… that is what I am saying you should do?

But now you’ve replied twice. That’s a pattern! They can track you now. Oh why, oh why didn’t you change your username…?!

Very wrong translation though

Nope. It’s just somewhat wrong, not “very” wrong. You still very much get the essence. And as I showed you, you can do it without the AI even getting the gist.

That’s not changing an account, that’s avoiding having one.

but that does not mean you should make things easier, for any random person, company or anything

So why not make a new user each and every time? Would make it harder for them. (The slippery slope works both ways.)

Except people can still read that with AI;

I don’t see Al at all, I don’t think I’ll help you with my words.

Eisenniivituvaikiaaol

Meaning my method (in this case, not the thread) works, yours doesn’t seem to.

Oh you’re done being wrong? Good.

None of what you’ve linked states that all food and drink are real. In fact, the passage specifically says (didn’t read it, did you, you dolt) that

there were some instances where real objects were replicated within the holodeck and used to interact with the holographic program

SOME INSTANCES

Since when did “some instances water is replicated” mean “all food and drink, ever, is always replicated”?

You didn’t have a good whatever your native language is called in school, did you? Because your reading comprehension sucks.

I’ve constantly kept the point that they’re not hard scifi and completely writers will, complete soft scifi. You’ve taken the position theyre hard scifi and that ALL food and drink is replicated. You’ve a stated something incorrect. I have not.

Yeah AI will scrape your writings despite the username. So what are you exactly afraid of, personally?

And no, this isn’t the “if you’ve nothing to hide you’ve nothing to fear”- argument. I’m pro-privacy. I understand loads of people like it and I think it’s a human right. But personally I don’t care about it, for me. I care about it for humanity. And I understand that if you’re for instance a hard line government critic in an autocratic state, you might want to make it harder for them to find you.

But like, I generally don’t believe that just making a new account and having a different username would make any difference to the government’s ability to track you. If you have a poorly IT literate stalker, then sure, it would be immensely useful.

But against government apparati actually focused on you? Like the NSA? Juutosisnaatoimiikimuutevarmaa

The first episode, Riker getting wet?

That’s your “proof” that all food and drinks are real despite the contradictions we have?

“real booze” is a matter of perspective

Yeah, it is. And the perspective is that of someone who doesn’t consume anything. But even he could consume the virtual beverage.

I’ve literally shown you several examples, you’ve merely implied one… from a pilot.

Next you’re gonna argue that Worf is canonically wrong because he doesn’t look like they do in TOS. :D Same exact logic.

The holodecks being inconsistent and literally a fantasy machine has been my point all the time. It’s you who’s argued that they’re hard scifi and completely explained. Yet you’re unable to explain anything, just repeating “tng ep1” as if that’s an argument.

I really can’t have “lost” an argument when you’ve not even presented one.

When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real. You really eat and drink something, it has real flavour.

I’ve priced that’s not true several times. You’ve not backed it up at all. Riker getting wet or Wesley throwing a snowball doesn’t mean “all food and drink is real” just because some water was

The second quote is actually shortened for subtitles. The whole quote is “it’s not real booze, you’re in a holosuite, you remember?”

And your evidence for the holographic food akd drink being real was… what? I don’t seem to recall seeing any. Granted this was more than a month ago. This just came up on a rewatch and reminded me of this conversation, so I came to add it.

But sure, the holographic technology is just beyond my grasp even though it’s definitely explained in detail and definitely the way you say it is, despite the several glaring contradictions in your theory and the actual shows.

Guess I still just don’t understand this non-existent theory of yours. But the holo-tech is definitely described well and exactly as you have said. Deeeeefinitely.

Yeah no wörries being pedantic about it is for me, really.

I’d think EV’s would be perhaps about as easy, or easier… in theory. But in practice idk if they always have actual hydraulic brakes. I’d still think they do, even if there’s also regenerative braking.

But for electric cars maybe it would be model based basically. Hell probably at some point the steering wheel and pedals will be wireless so you can change sides when crossing from left-driving traffic to the right and back. Then kids would drive from the backseat as a dare. If we’ll even let humans drive in the future. I know automated driving is shit currently, but I was thinking of living for a while yet.

I’m thinking at some point it will probably be that you’ll need to hand over driving to a computer whilst in a city or smth. Then can only drive yourself outside city centers. That could help with traffic. I believe there’s already large semitrucks or something which can sort of link in a convoy so only the first truck’s driver controls the speed and steering and whatnot, the others are computer controlled in order to minimise braking and fuel consumption etc.

Well, step-father, to be accurate. I’ve never even lived with him, I moved out when my little sister was born or thereabouts. And I still had a dad long after that, so that’s why I don’t call him dad or father. (This paragraph was prolly more for me than for you, tbh.)

But yeah, I used to think it was expensive, and it used to be, afaik, as you had to basically either buy and old drivers-ed car or extensively modify your own vehicle.

However, someone came up/allowed it to just be a pedal on the passenger side that’s bolted on the floor and which then has a hydraulic hose going to the actual breakpedal. So all you have is a pinky-sized hose going between the seats. You can either just let it sit on the console as it doesn’t bother anything or you if you really want, take some panels away and put it through there.

Thinking the government is interested in an individuals shit posting is beyond delusional.

Data only works as prediction when you have tons of it.

And for that it doesn’t matter what your username is.

All the bots scraping this and all the people who will look at your profile and go “lol what an infantile moron”. ;>

So what’s the reason you can’t mention why you’re in the thread, or what you wrote in your first comment? Is it because you’re desperately avoiding admitting to a mistake, because your infantile ego is controlling you.

So who are you talking to, because it’s you who’s spamming your fetishes, because you can’t actually talk about why you’re in the thread. Yet there’s a reason you’re compulsively replying. Can you explain why?

Oh right, I already did, in the beginning. And then again, and again and again. And you’ve followed each and every step, like clockwork.

You’re just not man enough to admit when you make a mistake. Which shows just how infantile you are. To everyone ;>>>>

Oh you can do that in Finland as well. You just need to have an extra brake pedal installed on the passenger side, for emergency braking. You also need an extra mirror, and a permit to teach. The requirements for a permit to teach are nominal, it’s just that you have at least 5 years experience with the class of vehicles you’re teaching (as you could teach a BE as well for instance, not talking about installing extra brake pedals on motorbikes lol), you’re at least 25 years of age and have a “clean driving record”. I’m not sure what disqualifies one with the record. I think it’s probably somewhat subjective. Like a DUI definitely disqualifies you, but some minor speeding prolly won’t.

It’s been increasing a lot here. Like when I learned to drive I knew of no-one in my age or near it who’d done it. But my sister is 15 years younger and when she did it my stepdad (her dad, she’s my half-sibling) taught her. It’s doubled since 2014.

And I think the driving schools have less theory and driving lessons as well, we had tons. Probably dropped it so that it’s faster for the schools to get more people in and out. Ie capitalism loosening safety regulations in the name of profit. Thanks, right-wing government of however long ago it was! ^(/s)

Why do you care that I care?

Hint: it’s the same answer.

Also, I notice how you didn’t say that I’m wrong.

“Mom, come, quick, you’re never gonna believe this, people are being arrogant on online forums!”

Well I did some checking. Lots of what Google says nowadays in the first answers is hallucination though so feel free to correct if you know better.

But “in a vast majority of states” as long as you’re over 18, all you need to do is walk into a DMV and pass a “knowledge test” and a vision test. Then you get a learner’s permit. Sure, you’re not allowed to drive solo with one, but the supervisor just needs to be an adult with a license (and “capable of driving the vehicle” ie “sober and alert” but eh drunk driving laws in the US are a whole other mess, damn Murica just give your cops breathalysers. here they sell disposable ones at every register in supermarkets).

In most states you can get that at 16 afaik.

Here in Finland, when I went to driving school, it lasted weeks. You have to sit theory lessons, risk lessons, and then do driving with an instructor for a dozen hours or so and then you get to go take a driving test and if you pass, you’ll get a license.

In the US they usually don’t even require parallel parking.

I had to parallel park in a steep hill and then hill start from there while not stalling the engine.

And after that, you get your phase 1 driving license. It gets taken away easier for fines, you can have like 2 in a year or 3 in 2 years iirc. I mean, you can’t. You can have 1 in a year or 2 in 2 years but 2 in one year or 3 in two years iirc and you get your license revoked and have to do a driving test all over again.

Then when you’ve had your phase 1 license for at least 1.5 years and have completed both night driving training and slippery driving training (you get taken to a rally track with hills and bends and it’s all covered in either water and ice or in the summer soap and oil and water) then you can have your permanent license.

So you know, by the idea that more training and higher requirements and harder to pass driving tests would mean better drivers unless there’s a maaaasssive disparity in the populations and Americans are just naturally so much better drivers that they compensate for the difference training makes. Which… they aren’t, let’s be honest.

Oh and most cars are manual. I feel like saying that a majority of Americans wouldn’t even know how to drive a manual probably isn’t a controversial statement, right? You’re allowed to go through driving school with automats but then you won’t be allowed to drive manual cars.

Also, several different classes of vehicles and licences. At 15 you get M class, for moped or “moped-cars” (fucking rich kids, pappa betalar) at 16 you can get a A1, that’s bikes up to 125cc and 11kw, then at 18 you can go for B which is regular cars, and nowadays I think only C1, but I did C. That’s heavy good vehicles, large “semitrucks”. C1 is smaller, lighter, semitrucks, they sort of split the class for some reason.

Most of the American “trucks” the insane sized pickups would probably C1 if not C.

If you want trailers then you have to also do E for them, and that’s for each (but not bikes obvs) so for instance you can have ABEC which would allow you to drive a large trailer behind a regular car, but not a massive one behind a semitruck. (You can have a small one with C, just like you can have a small regular trailer or a camper with B if their mass is low enough). But to have full semitruck+trailer you’d need CE. Then there’s also D which is buses. So you could have ABECEDE. (My dad had that I think.) A1 upgrades to a and A with “driving experience” which is just counted in years since you got the license, even if you didn’t drive for that time. So if you drive A1 license at 16 you get a-license at 18 and A at 20. Lowercase a is bikes up to 600cc and 25kw (but people often remove the limits from it being 25, but will be very costly if you get caught, for insurance).

TLDR the requirements for a driving license in the US are about the same as for a moped license here in Finland, and the requirements for a Commercial Driving License in the US are about the same as those here for a regular license.

Sooo… yeah. I think we can infer.

Also, there’s these:

https://www.wardsauto.com/news/what-europe-can-teach-america-on-road-safety-killing-by-design-part-1/798798/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0386111211000033

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12544-014-0131-7

Also I’m not sure where you got the idea that the US doesn’t have sidewalks.

I think they mean “curbs” actually. Or curbed sidewalks in general. And even if they don’t, I’ve heard from lots of Americans how simply some places aren’t walkable. As in there is literally no sidewalk, and you can’t step off the road, as there’s no “right to roam” in the US so someone could technically just shoot you for trespassing in the worst case, forcing you to practically walk on the road, which is being driven by massive and unsafe SUVs. SUV’s which wouldn’t care about most European curbs probably, having such large tires. But most average sized cars do.

Yes the US intelligence apparatus must be just so lost when you create a new account on Lemmy. Ofc they are. You’re safe from them by doing that.

#/S

Who do you think you’re lying to?

You know it isn’t me.

You know it’s no-one reading that.

So… it’s you. Yourself. You’re trying extremely hard to delude yourself that you’re gonna “win” this and “get the last word”. You won’t. You “lost” ages ago and every single reply is reinforcing that. To everyone.

Doesn’t matter that you hop on your alts and then come on this account once a day to quickly make some comments on other threads so it wouldn’t look like you’re so childish. Again, youre trying to delude yourself. No-one else is even remotely thinking you’re the “winner” here.

Because you made a mistake and now you’re not man enough to own up to it.

Also the fact that you instantly think of children’s underwear as a sexual thing is fucking gross man. I hope you never have kids, they wouldn’t be safe with you.

I don’t want to get doxxed

Do you post your name and/or address or anything that could be used to ID you? How is changing an account going to influence that.

“Someone compiling a profile on me”

Sure, yeah, buddy. “They’re following YOU, but luckily making a new account completely gets rid of whatever tinfoil entity you’re imagining.”

The only people I could see that being a problem for is anyone part of anything organised and not wanting to get caught.