doesn’t need any particular structure.

Ofc it does. You still haven’t given a single example of these things you pretend can be true. (Which they aren’t.)

Stories do have a beginning middle and end. That’s what a narrative structure means. No matter how much you break fourth walls or film a movie like Memento, it still has a start an end and a beginning, as does 2001. (Which I never said I disliked or liked, just to reiterate as you got me confused with someone else there.)

I read plenty of books and watch films that have no clear linear narrative, a

“no clean linear narrative” doesn’t mean it’s not a narrative with a start and an end

Just like no-one would describe you as (I’m just assuming gender now but whatever doesn’t make the point any different) a handsome and successful man, but I still think you can be described as a man (or a woman).

So your “no clear linear” is just shifting goalposts.

a particular story structure, doesn’t mean that’s the only type of structure that is valid.

And why would it? But see, even you point out the alternative is other story STRUCTURES because stories have structures. Mainly a beginning and an end, when you generalise enough. But narrative stories do have structure.

You’ve still not given a simple example or a narrative story without a beginning a middle and an end, have you?

Oh little babby is trying to be condescending while talking utter shite out of his arse, how adorable.

I point to literally all stories. Just because some narratives are more convoluted than others doesn’t mean they don’t begin and end, dumbo.

Oh you do give an example… of what you point out isn’t a story as such. Because it’s not a narrative. Did I ever say all written art is stories? I don’t think I did. But I get it… You’re not here to argue or with an open mind. You just said something dumb and now refuse to accept you did.

You’re even confusing me with someone else.

Tell me, which definitions of a story are you aware of, then?

Because I can’t find a single one that even slightly supports your naive garbage. A story is narration. (from latin narrare, to tell) and a narrative has a plot and a plot has a beginning, a middle and an end.

I’m not conflating shit. You’re pretending you can tell a narrative without touching any conventions (which go back tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years).

Just because you don’t get the art film doesn’t mean it didn’t have a beginning, a middle and an end. If it doesn’t then it’s just okay to only watch a portion of it? And since there’s no end or start, you can just watch a random 10 min from anywhere and backwards or forwards… riiight? Because that’s what you’re saying, dimwit.

Just like with the structure of a narrative, you’re completely wrong. I have never said I don’t like 2001. But will you accept that? Ofc you won’t.

Your argument is a thing you’re not aware of can’t exist.

Can’t really talk to such a fundamentally moronic person, really. If you don’t realise that there are things which you don’t understand but others do, then there’s just no helping you. Maybe try a few milligrams of LSD.

Must be nice to be smarter than professionals who make movies and cars. Wish I as much of a genius as you clearly are.

It’s not actually, because the large majority of people are like you, who just won’t accept the fact they’re ignorant of something.

So which professional storytellers have said that there are no conventions in stories? Which movie doesn’t have a start middle and end? Documentaries? Even they do. Because it’s ingrained in humanity for hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands of years.

Who were the professionals whom I am smarter than?

Not Dan Harmon, that’s for sure. https://youtu.be/RG4WcRAgm7Y

i’m not aware

And that’s sort of the issue here.

I too could argue that you have a way too narrow definition of a car and since my feet also take me places, they’re also a car. But it’d be fucking moronic to do that, just like your argument is utterly moronic.

Cheerio

“A certain way” in much the same sense all cars need four+ wheels, a steering wheel and an accelerator and some breaks. If I get into the tiny details, having lights is also rather good.

What you were saying is that it’s unreasonable to expect stories to be… well, stories. You know, with a beginning, middle and end?

Unless you’re trying to tell me that two-wheeled chain driven transport with no steering wheel or motor is also “a car”, I think I’ve made my point.

a lot of people are idiots if they are looking for ‘answers’ in entertainment products.

Yeah psshtt they can go to their mom to cry about “satisfying narratives” and “stories which make sense”.

A car is a mode of transport. That’s why it doesn’t tell you shit, but you can use it yo travel. However movies aren’t modes of transportation, and instead are media for stories.

Is this all honestly news to you? Have you hit your head? Want me to call an ambulance?

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

All that means is the better, more deserving ones who put the work in will be successful.

Oh, how adorably naive.

I don’t think the kids hate it, just that the attention span isn’t what it used to be.

But it also works for us imo, to a degree. I at least find the pacing of 80’s or 90’s tv much calmer. And I daresay a movie from the B&W era would be slower still.

And I don’t think there’s yet a professional short-form making masterclass so that’s where the kids end up

I hadn’t either before driving a taxi. (pre-gps)

I ended up accidentally training a squirrel to be a burglar and finding squirrel droppings in your kitchen even when you left the kitchen window closed, well… it didn’t bother me as much but it was an apartment building and he burgled others as well so had to put him in timeout once (large see-through moving box, breathing one, and water food and some pine branches to hide in) for a good few hours.

Moved out rather soon after that, so idk if his lineage still knows the way.

But the crows from the same area at least taught their young that me is friend. Me bring meatball. (I didn’t move far, only a few hundred m so it wasn’t as challenging for them to follow.)

You look up a street name. That entry tells you which street it begins from. If you don’t know that, then you look up one further. And repeat until you get to such a main road you’d know it even after looking at a map.

So basically you’d look up the street and then browse back and after you’d have a sort of gps like instructions. “main road until you see X street, then turn there, then drive until you see Y road” etc.

I had several in the car I drove, for all the nearby cities/towns. Many in same covers. So it’d cover the main city and outlying towns. Never had to use a map. (Although again, I can if needed.)

Loads.

Actually a much better way was to use a street directory if you know your way around the town even a bit.

Better even, and how we actually did it was giving instructions. “200m after the large tree by the field, drive on for about 400m, there’s 2 junctions before and mines the third one.”

But I also know orienteering ofc as a Finn

I download youtube shorts I want to share so people don’t have to sully their histories with shorts

Now we eat them on such a regular basis that if you’re ever asking someone what eating something unknown is like, you’ll often get “tastes kind of like chicken” as a reply.

Fair enough. Makes much more sense.

I have. I thought it was replaced with a newer console. The comment doesn’t specify “crt tv” and it would be weird if that’s how one would refer to tvs of that age. Having nes is much morr specific than just having a TV.

NES isn’t a CRT tv though.