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Decimation was considered a harsh punishment even by the standards of the ancient Rome and was abolished. The fact that you use 90% survival rate to defend the ussr just shows how delusional you bolshevik tankies are.

Mate 90% survival rates pre penicillin are incredibly common, let alone in camp prisons as a result of proper prisons overflowing due to world war 2 conditions on top of food problems. Read a book. It wasn’t until 1953 that these rates came down to standards that you’d expect when new industrial processes made penicillin widespread in the region. This stuff is extremely basic and is in practically every single book on the topic I shouldn’t have to explain it to people but none of you actually read anything.

Me and my whole family is from and currently in Eastern Europe you numbskull.

Then you should know from talking to literally any elders that you’re talking shit.

Karelia

Lmao so you’re a Finn that’s proud of having fought on the nazi side of ww2 then and are unhappy with the soviets over it. Cool.

Considering the USSR did some considerable ethnic cleansing with their death camps in siberia

This is absolute nonsense. You are a historical revisionist who invents reality to suit themselves. 90% of people who entered soviet work camps left them alive perfectly well, calling them death camps is absolutely absurd. Frankly I’m not going to bother responding to you any further because this just continues to give you opportunities to spew literal actual bollocks into the thread.

I want you to ask some of the jews that were liberated from death camps whether they think socialism was “not much better than fascism”.

You’re calling people like Jeremy Corbyn a monster, who regularly defends the ussr, correctly so. That’s how far off the deep end you people are in terms of understanding of this topic.

Thankfully Eastern Europe, having lived through the horrors of Stalin’s regime, are better at seeing through that bullshit.

I am originally FROM eastern europe(Czech) and this is just false. You are talking to people born in the 80s and 90s, brought up on an education system designed with a hefty quantity of anticommunism. You are not talking to people that actually lived under socialism at an age where they can remember any of it.

We have data to back this up anyway:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

http://www.balkanalysis.com/romania/2011/12/27/in-romania-opinion-polls-show-nostalgia-for-communism/

The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

http://praguemonitor.com/2011/11/21/pol

Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime, according to a poll conducted by the polling institute SC&C and released Sunday.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/for-simon-poll-serbians-unsure-who-runs-their-country

A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -”during the time of socialism”.

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Poll-Most-Russians-Prefer-Return-of-Soviet-Union-and-Socialism-20160420-0051.html

The majority of Russians polled in a 2016 study said they would prefer living under the old Soviet Union and would like to see the socialist system and the Soviet state restored.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

Reflecting back on the breakup of the Soviet Union that happened 22 years ago next week, residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them. Only Azerbaijanis, Kazakhstanis, and Turkmens are more likely to see benefit than harm from the breakup. Georgians are divided.

You are objectively and measurably wrong. You are repeating repetitive garbage that you have seen moronic far right americans on reddit who have their brains riddled with the legacy of two red-scares repeat over and over again. Which you too repeat as fact despite it being simply not true.

But of course you’ll completely ignore all of this absolutely factual information and still repeat garbage again next time because you people don’t care about reality, you invent your own. When information that should make you self-crit and reevaluate your world view is presented to you the reactionary attitude you hold causes you to discard it.

Does Macron even count as a liberal? He outright said the French revolution was a mistake and a monarchie would have been better. That along with trying to do some police state shit makes it seem he’s just an authoritarian.

Modern liberals all believe that. Liberals gave up the social and economic justice beliefs of the Enlightenment as soon as they attained power post-revolution, socialists inherited the Enlightenment thought and became the new left opposition pushing for real justice.

Like american politicians in general come off to me as the most insincere people in the whole world.

To be fair this isn’t limited to america. Liberals in europe are equally as detestable and insincere. Macron being the premiere example. I think it’s just highly noticeable in american politics because they have no left.

What? No that’s not it. They highlight this because when liberals all respond saying they don’t care about this they help reinforce to republicans that they shouldn’t care about Trump’s prostitution stuff or “grab em by the pussy”. It makes liberals look like people doing a performance who don’t actually hold those things as principles because they’re entirely willing to toss them aside for certain issues.

I don’t have a dog in this race because I’m not american.