Oh, the reason I moved past that subject was because I assumed that when you stopped your aggressive behaviour, it was your way of apologising. A lot of people feel shame about the idea of saying sorry, so I thought you wanted to move past your mistakes and put them behind you. I was ready to forgive your behaviour. If you still want to talk about your aphobic actions, then I’ll reiterate my earlier point that you’re erasing queerness and that your entire argument serves to vilify a child for not having sex.

I will also remind you that you accused a fellow asexual of aphobia based on completely misunderstanding what I said, and you also tried to ignore that without apologising. I’ve been very forgiving of your mistakes. While I would sincerely like to receive an apology, I also understand if it’s too difficult for you, and am happy to live and let live.

The myths say Narcissus rejected Eros and all lovers. Ancient Greeks didn’t have the word “asexual”. Expecting them to describe things in modern language is a failure of your ability to interpret things from their point of view and understand cultural differences. You’re holding ancient peoples to an impossible standard. The work of a historian or archaeologist is to understand ancient cultures well enough to interpret their words, and not to take everything literally.

There is no evidence that Narcissus was allosexual. What you’re doing is treating straight as the default, and demanding an unreasonable standard of proof to confirm that a character is queer. You’ve internalised queerphobia. And the reason I was aggressive with you, is because you began by attacking me and calling me queerphobic. You seem to have calmed down, so now let’s talk facts. Narcissus displays zero evidence of any sexual or romantic desires in the text, except for when he’s being cursed by a god who was told to make him love.

Is a chicken egg defined as an egg that will grow into a chicken, or as an egg laid by a chicken?

in Thespeia of Boeotia (a city not far from Helikon) a child was born, Narcissus, very handsome and dismissive of both Eros and lovers.

Can you explain in what bizarro universe this is not asexuality? And can you also please explain what Narcissus did that meant he deserved to die?

You right wing trolls always want to find some excuse to say us leftists are the real bigots. So on your way to erase asexuals, demand children get into sexual relationships, and make apology for sexual harassers, you have to include some quip about your made up 4D mental gymnastics that say us asexuals are evil for admitting that one of our own might tell a sexual abuser to go commit unalive.

So although you won’t admit it upsets you when I say this, I will still offend you with the statement “asexual people deserve to be allowed to live.”

Well we do. I’m ace and I’ve told a rapist to kill themself. It’s the right thing to do with rapists. Anyway, you want sources?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameinias_(mythology)

Narcissus also spurned Ameinias and gave him a sword. The latter committed suicide at Narcissus’s doorstep after being rejected by him.

https://www.greeklegendsandmyths.com/ameinias.html

Ameinias though, was persistent and time after time he was rejected by Narcissus. One final rejection though would occur, and Narcissus would present the spurned Ameinias with a sword. Ameinias would commit suicide, falling on the sword, on the very doorway of Narcissus’ home.

Before he fell on the sword though, Ameinias prayed to the goddess Nemesis to avenge him. Nemesis heard the prayer, and cursed Narcissus so that Narcissus fell in love with own reflection in a pool of water.

https://topostext.org/work/489

The 24th; in Thespeia of Boeotia (a city not far from Helikon) a child was born, Narcissus, very handsome and dismissive of both Eros and lovers. While all the other lovers tried and gave up, Ameinias kept insisting and beseeching. Narcissus did not yield and sent him a sword instead. He did away with himself at Narcissus’ doorway, after beseeching the god to avenge him.

So far in this conversation you’ve mistaken my account of Narcissus’ asexuality, moved the goalposts when I pointed out your mistake, made apology for child sexual abuse, and been dead wrong about Narcissus telling Ameinias the sexual abuser to off himself. You suck. You don’t know anything about Greek mythology, and you should have held your judgements until you understood the source material. You’ve just been lurching from lie to lie in this conversation trying to cover for your previous CSA apologism and ineptitude. Give it up. Let go of your massive ego and admit you were wrong.

Well in that case all you’ve done is reinvent tempo but worse. Unless you vary the rate on the fly, which requires moving the counter and/or radioactive material on the fly. And then all you’ve done is create a very bad musical instrument.

You can’t predict the next click, that’s what random means. This would never have gotten far enough to appear in front of an audience. They would have tried it at rehearsal and realised it was impossible.

No I’m not, pay attention. I’m saying he was born asexual due to random chance. You’re mixing up causes and effects.

Asexuality plus trauma equals telling sexual abusers to kill themselves. That’s what I’m saying. In this argument, sexuality is a cause, not an effect. You’re saying I’m arguing his sexuality is an effect, but that’s not true. I’m saying his sexuality is the cause of him telling Ameinias to kill himself. Pay attention.

The third sentence makes it clear it’s fake

• Geiger counters aren’t rhythmic, they’re random
• How would the audience know the beat matches the counter?
• Random music doesn’t sound good, the audience would be more excited for good music

Disappointed in the people who believed this.

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The thing it has to do with his asexuality is that he lacks the natural positive context for sex that comes with being allosexual. Most rape babies grow up, start having sexual thoughts, and are forced to come to an acceptance of sex. Narcissus has zero positive experience with sex. There’s nothing to counter his association between sex and his mother’s rape. That’s explains why he’s rude to people who sexually harass him. I thought that context might be helpful, since the other person in this thread is saying that he’s evil for not loving anyone.

Another detail about the myth you have to understand, in addition to all the sexual harassment of a child, is that Narcissus is a rape baby. He was born because Cephissus raped Liriope. That’s his background for understanding the world of love. He exists because of an act of cruelty, which he is not old enough to distinguish from the sexual harassment he constantly suffers as a child because he was born pretty. Of course someone from that background, who has no feelings of love of his own, would end up resenting the very concept. I believe Narcissus was justified in telling Ameinias to kill himself, Ameinias was a pedophile and he was sexually abusing Narcissus with his harassment.

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The Greeks didn’t understand asexuality and thought it was hubris, since the only examples of ace people they did accept were literal gods. Narcissus was 16 when he died. A 16 year old who constantly gets sexually harassed has the right to be a little rude in rejecting people. Ameinias, for example, asked for the 16 year old’s hand in marriage multiple times. If you want to say hounding a mid-pubescent child for sex is acceptable in any cultural context, then I’m going to view you the same way I view the ancient Greeks: as a pedophile.

They’re not fictional, they’re mythical. Here’s the difference between reality, fiction, and myth: Fiction is made out of the rearranged parts of reality. Myth is made out of fiction that people thought was important. And reality is made out of myth that people took too literally.

Actually, Earth is around about the largest that rocky planets tend to get. Look at the gap between Earth and Uranus, it’s huge. Planets in the middle size are rare. This planet is a super-earth type planet.

He’s definitely not the first historical example. Artemis and Narcissus were aroace

You can believe that Jesus Christ is the mortal incarnation of the Lord taken human form to forgive humanity’s sins, and still think Christianity is wrong. Christians worship Jesus. But Jesus is the name for the mortal body of the Lord. Jesus is an avatar. A physical representation of the divine essence. Worshipping Jesus is idolatry. Jesus is as much a physical object meant to represent the Lord as the golden calf was. And worshipping a statue of Jesus on the cross is double idolatry. You’re worshipping an idol of an idol.

Jesus was a Jew. And anyone who follows His teachings is also a Jew. Christians are heretics who abandon the teachings and values of Jesus by worshipping Him. If you want to follow Jesus, then listen to what He says, and worship the spark of the divine essence that exists within your own mind. Jesus said that YOUR faith can move mountains. You don’t get to do that by worshipping an idol. Christianity is not the way.

All this to say that Jews can accept the divinity of Jesus. It’s Christians who reject Him.

I don’t talk to you about otherkin and dragons because I think you’re stupid, I talk to you about otherkin and dragons because I thought you were interested in understanding my metaphysical views. I interpreted your statement that you were having trouble understanding my conversations with dragons as a request that I make my speech more approachable. I failed to anticipate that you wanted me to pretend you understood perfectly after you said you were struggling and continue to be opaque. If you want me to ignore you when you ask for help and speak in riddles instead, I can certainly accommodate that wish.