Yes, because that’s exclusively what soldiers do when on deployments. They literally only shoot children.

I literally just acknowledged that they do things other than shoot children. The problem is, “I don’t just murder children, I also do other stuff” is not any kind of defense whatsoever.

EOT on my end. You’re just shouting naive platitudes from an imagined moral high ground, when in reality you’re just ignorant. No point continuing this thread.

And you’re just blindly licking the boots of your oppressors.

I never said anything even remotely similar to “the military is inherently moral”. Is moral of you to put words in others’ mouths?

Calling any form of military “unethical” is the absolute peak level of clueless wishful thinking.

Right, you only said it was “idiotic” to claim that any military was anything but moral, my mistake, that’s extremely different from saying that the military is inherently moral.

Military in normal countries is used in times of peace to help fighting natural disasters, like floods. I don’t see that as immoral. Do you?

Spend a month helping out with natural disasters, but then you go and murder one bunch of kids and everybody just remembers you as a child-murderer 😔

Or I’d have to support people who actually fight for my interests instead of blindly licking boots and rallying around a flag while dismissing all criticism because “the military is inherently moral.”

Your position can’t withstand even the slightest degree of scrutiny, lol. As expected of a bootlicker.

Hmm, but if I’m conquered by the despot one border over, then I suppose I’d have to start supporting his military, wouldn’t I? After all, I’d be an idiot to not support the only people protecting me my despot from the other despot one border over, right?

There’s no real difference between offense and defense. The more secure my position, the more easily I can attack from it without fear of retribution.

Sorry, I’m not sure I’m familiar with this particular school of moral philosophy. What’s it called? Bootlicking?

Shadowrun.

OK, maybe without all the supernatural elements.

I’ve seen people, including pop history channels with lots of views, talk about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident without any disclaimer acknowledging that it didn’t happen. It was just a straight up lie to get the US into Vietnam and idk how many people out there still believe it, it’s crazy.

“I have information that will lead to the resignation of Majorie Taylor Greene”

That’s true, but it’s also true that this map may be the best shot they have to pick up seats. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say that a senate map looks good for Democrats. In 2028 they’ll have what, Arizona and North Carolina? Well, and the VP, potentially (and having to replace Fetterman). And in 2030, just Ohio and Pennsylvania? I don’t see any chance of winning Iowa but whether there’s even a remote possibility of them gaining a majority in future elections will depend on whether they can narrow to one or two seats here.

I think mistepping generally just gets you in trouble if you try to act like you know what you’re talking about or insist that a given position is correct. Just say you’re not the most informed and are looking to learn more or understand people’s perspectives rather than assert one thing or another.

My fear is that, and to be clear, this is just my own fears, not saying that this will happen, but I fear that my parents could get me exit-banned and bribe some corrupt doctor to declare me insane or something and force involuntary ECT or someshit like that and wipe my memories of their emotional abuse/neglect. But again, that’s just my fears, I hope they aren’t secretly that controlling/manipulative.

Here in the US, they are nobodys, they don’t have the Guanxi to do weird things, so its harder for them to weaponize the government’s tentacles against me. Things have to go through the courts and unlike China, they can’t just do involuntary treatments without a court order.

Well… as long as you’re not a teenager. I had pretty similar fears growing up in a conservative Christian family that my parents might send me to some camp like that. The “troubled teen industry” is very unregulated and has seen a lot of cases of child abuse and even deaths, and kids can end up there for any reason at all, it just takes parental consent. I didn’t dare tell them when I was having doubts about God until long after I had moved out and had completely left that shit behind. If they thought I was going to spend eternity in Hell there’s no telling what they might have done, and they also probably didn’t even know about all the abuse and stuff that happens there and wouldn’t have listened to me if I tried to talk my way out of it. It was pretty terrifying, and probably contributed to my far-left political views today.

I studied abroad in Japan for a year back 10-15 years ago. I definitely experienced “reverse culture shock” when I came back, the feeling when you’ve had all kinds of new experiences and have seen the world from a completely different perspective, but then everything’s just… the same. The people you left behind are just a year older, the roads and the stores are all just like they were when you left, maybe a new fast food joint opened up and that’s the biggest thing that’s changed. It’s pretty maddening. Of course, you can talk and talk about all these stories and people and all that - and in fact it was pretty good for me in that I was able to overcome some shyness and social anxiety because I had something interesting to talk about - but there’s a lot of stuff that you’ll never really be able to explain, things that just can’t be put into words. Especially with language, I feel like we’re losing something as people rely more on AI translations (useful as they are) because my experience is that speaking a different language can really shift your whole perspective in subtle ways. Translation is metaphor, it is inherently an approximation of meaning. It is, however, a lot of work.

In time, my experience of living in Japan and the unique perspective it gave me has become one of many perspectives that I can draw on, and I have other shared or relatable experiences with the people around me. Granted, my experience abroad was a relatively short time, not like actually immigrating. But ultimately, everyone has different experiences that can seem very alien to others, even within the same country or culture. When we see these differences not as barriers but as providing valuable and distinctive insight, well, that’s the dream, isn’t it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportations-by-ice-10-year-high-in-2024-surpassing-trump-era-peak/

On immigration policy, the survey shows Latinos place a high priority on allowing unauthorized immigrants to stay in the country legally.

Your own source supports my position, lol.

What part of, “Israel is going above and beyond in finding new and exiting war crimes to commit,” reads to you like I’m “literally making the argument for Israel to claim it wasn’t so bad?”

What you said is like saying, “Show me when Imperial Japan did anything as bad as the Holocaust.” Sure, the Holocaust was a special kind of evil that went above and beyond, but Imperial Japan did all sorts of heinous, horrific shit and there is absolutely no reason why we should make favorable comparisons about them. They were even on the same side, much like the US and Israel.

Also how tf is it “whataboutism” when you made the comparison? Completely ridiculous.

I presented four sources to the other person that demonstrate that that’s not true. Even if it were true, their messaging did not reflect it. They presented themselves as border hawks, indisputably, and you are either misinformed or lying if you deny it. I’ve backed my position up with evidence.

Don’t whitewash those wars. Sure, Israel is going above and beyond in finding new and exiting war crimes to commit, but the US wars were also horrendous.

What an incredibly stupid comment. No, they did not campaign on “the opposite of building the wall.” They literally said, we’re the ones actually trying to build the wall, and Trump is blocking us because he’s all talk. You are uniformed about this.

Accusing me of watching Fox News is also laughable. Fox News did not support the Democrats’ narrative that they were border hawks, actually. Their position was always that the Democrats were soft on immigration, which they said was bad.

Senate Republicans block border security bill as they campaign on border chaos - NBC

The Biden Administration says it is using executive power to allow border wall construction in Texas - AP

Deportations by ICE jump to 10 year high in 2024, surpassing Trump-era peak - CBS

Biden pulls from Trump’s immigration playbook in election year twist - CNN

Don’t accuse me of being misinformed when you don’t know shit.