Yeah, what was the purpose of the whole Clockwork Orange moment earlier where she was rooting through a mountain of data and connecting information from a document store if we could have just fed it all to copilot in the first place.

Maybe they shouldn’t rub one out using the chair as sloppy seconds.

No shame! Even if you had, and English wasn’t the primary language, it’s possible that localization would have changed the music.

Fantastic band from the 90’s, also responsible for The music of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Nah, it’s just you doing your thing. Sorry for giving you a hard time! Keep bringing up cool stuff.

I think this is something that gets to homeowners as they age.

I know I’m jaded, but this just feels like astroturfing.

I totally creeped your profile and some of it feels like paid influencing, only because it comes off formulaic like this:

What is your favorite toothpaste? Mine is Crest Autoomplete with tooth-reinforcing nanotechnology.

I doubt you actually are shilling for all these products on the side, and I think you are just trying to share what you like. I’m not beyond imagining that a person could join some service like fiverr and complete tasks for small commissions.

I personally attempt to avoid forced product placement, and prefer to know when I’m being advertised to. I just saw an ad pushed on me for Copilot in High Potential. Not only can the product not perform as shown, it completely upstaged the main character.

Got some artificial organic marketing here.

Very good. My only criticism is that some of the horns at the end didn’t seem up hold up.

Wipe and resell on local buy/sell/trade. They will monitor someone else. Otherwise, put it on a separate subnet and use a bot to reshare every scrap of social media it can touch.

Ok my 20 and your 20 are not the same.

I was saying the large numbers didn’t make sense if you don’t have a large fleet of drives. Say you have ten servers, each with ten drives, and the MTBF is 100 million hours (yay, easy math!). That means that half your drives will have failed after 100k hours, or 11 years of use.

Some of the sites I have been looking at are saying that this number will increase significantly because 8 hours of daily use would give you about 33 years of use.

I think I like the annualized failure rate better, but I don’t think either really tell a great picture.

https://www.seagate.com/support/kb/hard-disk-drive-reliability-and-mtbf-afr-174791en/

https://ssdcentral.net/hddfail/

I would rather if the annualized rate were recalculated annually.

Regarding the controllers, that has been nagging at me this whole conversation. Most SATA peripheral cards do not have heat sinks, but most SAS cards do. The SAS cards at least have a more rugged appearance.

Yeah, I started with three 1 TB drives in a ZFS1 configuration and when I wanted to expand I had to make a second 3-drive ZFS1 and add it instead of just adding drives to the configuration and resizing the array.

Besides that, I have had no issues.

I feel you. I have felt myself become more capable as I age. I used to fantasize over having a redo of my youth and young adult years but I’m happy with who I am and what I have become. We aren’t rich, but we love each other and I wouldn’t trade that for anything.

Pretty sure smash burgers exist to most quickly fry a patty. Take a measured meatball and put it between two hour chunks of metal. Don’t even need to flip it if you are doing it right

I have a bunch of working drives with 2+ years, and in my area almost everyone still has their system installed on old hard drives

Yeah. I was tempering that statement with the fact that I was getting computers for repair, often with bad drives, that had 2 years of use. Now that I really think about it, we were seeing them up to about 5 years. I recall that we were discussing whether to proactively replace the drives with that much time on there. At the time I wanted to ship them back out, and others were saying that 5 years was end of life. Our job was just to get them running again vs. performing full repairs.

I did not mean an average timeline of 20 years

Then I was not sure what you meant by this:

I don’t actually know if this is the right way to calculate it, but if for each disk you count the time separately, and add it together for a combined MTBF, then that is 20 out of the 136 MTBF years.

there are plenty of enterprise SATA drives

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that’s workstation drives. Obviously if your work buys 2 TB wd blue drives they won’t become enterprise drives. enterprise drives include like that of wd red pro, ultrastars, etc, which do use the SATA interface.

Those weren’t really on my radar, TBH. I took a look at the Ultrastar spec sheet and have to concede that the drive interface itself doesn’t seem to affect the lifecycle of the drive itself. I do have to say that the spec sheet does say at the bottom: “MTBF and AFR specifications are based on a sample population and are estimated by statistical measurements and acceleration algorithms under typical operating conditions for this drive model,” which is what I was guessing before for those million-hour numbers.

All in all, I am at this point only trying to track down and relay what I’m seeing about SAS vs SATA. From what I can tell, they are mostly the same, but SAS has more features (higher transfer rate, hot-swap capabilities, etc, etc,) HP says that SAS is more reliable, but I don’t see anything on that other than the features I just mentioned. Lenovo seems to agree with that take, saying that the reliability between SAS and SATA is comparable,

That’s usually what I accomplish.

The alternator doesn’t like it though

Doctor offices used to charge a dollar per page to transfer records.

Circuit City used to charge a 25% restock free if you bought something and it wasn’t right.

Banks here used to charge a fee for writing too many checks, another fee for having not enough activity, or another fee for just having an account.

A family member of mine gets charged for sticking their own finger.

Hey, I’m not sure where you got your factor of 5 years, but it was a number I pulled out my ass. I’m a repair depot I typically didn’t see drives that live much longer than 17k hours (just under 2 years). That didn’t mean that they always fall at that age, only that systems that came through had about that much time on them max.

Regarding the 136 vs 150 million numbers, those numbers are pure bullshit. MTBF is a raw calculation of how long it will take these devices to fall based on operational runtime over how many failures were experienced in the field. They most likely applied a small number of warranty failures over a massive number of manufacturing runs and projected that it would take that long for about half their drives to fall.

In reality, you will see failure spikes in the lifetime of a product. The initial failures will spike and drop off. I recall reading either the data surrounding this article or something similar when they realized that the bathtub curve may not be the full picture. They just updated it again for numbers from up to last year and you can see that it would be difficult to project an average lifetime of 20 years, much less 150.

My last thought on this is that when Backblaze mentions consumer vs enterprise drives they are possibly discussing SATA vs SAS. This comes from the realization that enterprise workstation drives are still just consumer drives with a part number label on them (seen in Dell and HP Enterprise equipment). Now, they could be referring to more expensive SATA drives, but I can’t imagine that they are using anything but SAS at this point in their lifecycle.

It’s the future we should all aspire to.

The optometrists over here change an extra fee for lens fittings on top of the fee for an eye exam. I think it’s $80 for us after insurance.