It’s polite etiquette to mention what you’re quoting.
It’s obviously a common definition of IQ… It doesn’t really matter where it’s from as it shows that general definitions of IQ claim it’s a test of generalized intellect.
Your quote doesn’t really refute my argument, or clarify what claim you are making?
An intelligence quotient (IQ) is a total score derived from a set of standardized tests or subtests designed to assess human intelligence.[1]
What exactly are you claiming? That it’s not a test to measure intellect? That IQ is pseudoscience? Or that it’s not specifically generalized intellect?
IQ is not a measurement of human intellect in general.
I don’t think there’s a scientific consensus of what IQ really measures.
Regarding correlation with success, I should have specified that the correlation still exists even when controlling for birth environment.
I would say that would be extremely difficult to definitively prove. IQ is more of a social study than a hard science, typically this kinda data is more suggestive than it is definite.
Never studied for them, they seemed like mostly simple pattern recognition and general logic questions, which I’ve never really thought you could even study for.
There are a few different tests that are supposed to clinically measure IQ. Most of them are more complex than pattern recognition and most all of them are administered by some sort of clinician, which can also influence outcomes.
But general intellect, as far as I can tell (and maybe my understanding of it is wrong), is what influences your ability to shift to a new field and gain expertise in that. Years alone don’t cut it. In my own field, I’ve seen software engineers who can’t program for shit, let alone make any architectural decisions after a decade - and ones that are pretty competent after 2-3 years.
I would say that the ability to gain expertise is generally hard to differentiate with the motivation to gain expertise. What we can empirically prove is that time spent practicing a skill is how we gain expertise in most any skill.
In fact, it’s more like ranges of aptitudes. I have great aptitude for STEM, pretty decent aptitude for languages, and absolutely none for arts. No drawing, no singing, etc. No matter how much practice I get and how much practice I got in my childhood.
It could be that you just perceive yourself being at being better at stem because you enjoy practicing the skills required for stem. People generally gain experience faster in skill sets they enjoy or skills they perceive thems to excel at.
There’s just skills I won’t learn in 10 years of practice, and skills I pick up rapidly, and it’s been that way since childhood.
Again, this could be self fulfilling process. If you don’t think you will excel at something you may not fully engage in the process, or even self sabotage the process.
think IQ in particular unfairly prioritizes understanding of language and logic, over artful skills and, e.g emotional intelligence (which is measured by EQ I guess).
I think for this to be true your claim would have to be that emotional intellect is devoid of logic or language…which seems fairly self evidently incorrect.
My main point that I wanted to make was that some people are naturally more gifted, and just faster learners, than others.
Or people are better at learning things they are self motivated to learn about, and that society influences what skills we find valuable or “intellectual”.
In short, what we can empirically prove about intellect is usually environmental in nature, and what we can only theorize about heritability cannot be differentiated from other variabilities that may correlate with that theory.
I’m not generally interested in comparing IQ results between countries or even for people of differing first language though so these don’t especially concern me so long as I can be sure a study averts the issue.
My point is the variability between test groups calls into question the reliability of IQ as a concept as a whole. If IQ is an innate measurement of intellect for humans in general, then the reliability of the test shouldn’t be culturally constrained.
for instance, it correlates well with success (level of education (eventually) reached, or $ in a capitalist society) and I’d be surprised to find any major journal publishing a paper which disputes that.
Yes, but I could make the same claim about a plethora of other correlations with more confidence like having wealthy parents.
Wait, do people actually study for IQ tests? Why?
The same reason mensa is a thing. People like to toot their own horn.
reckon general intellect does matter. In a world where your job might not exist in 5 years because lol AI, it’s best to be able to adapt fast. Specialize, yes, but one day your specialization will be useless. Best case scenario, it’s after you’ve retired.
To a certain extent yes, but no one can be an expert at everything. There just isn’t enough time, and expertise is really what society rewards people for at the end of the day.
And going back to heritability, there’s definitely some heritability there
I would say that would be incredibly hard to empirically prove due to the problems you mentioned. At best we could speculate that heritability may be an influence, but that influence is vastly overshadowed by environmental factors.
This article does a pretty decent job pointing out some of the variabilities that make IQ test unreliable. Tbh I think the concept of IQ is fruit from the poisoned tree. There are so many people that stake their positions and identities on the efficacy of IQ that the whole data pool is kinda poisoned. For every study that makes a claim, there are other studies rebutting it.
And can you link me to the language thing? When I look up language, I’m just seeing correlation between language proficiency and IQ, which shouldn’t be surprising – I would imagine that people who measure a higher IQ are better at learning languages.
I would have to search for it, i originally read about it when I was in college over a decade ago. Basically the claim was that the vast majority of the tests originate or are interpreted from English or another western language. When certain aspects of the test are interpreted to a different language the sentence structure is modified in a way where it adds an additional barrier for the test taker.
This may be somewhat solved by the different language speakers creating their own test, but that may not overcome the problem due to the need for global standardization, orit may be a barrier to language speakers who’s cultures haven’t invested the time or resources to the idea of IQ to begin with.
I mean, the validity of IQ tests in general should be questioned when the largest variability in scoring is if you’ve previously studied for an IQ test followed by what language you speak.
Philosophically I don’t really think there’s a uniform agreement on what exactly defines general intellect, or if that general intellect even matters considering were a species that relies on specialization.
As far as heritability, I imagine that would be a horribly difficult topic to actually get enough research to rule out variables like socioeconomics and cultural differences. I mean I doubt there’s that many twin studies to establish the efficacy any particular theory.
Haha, no it’s good for me. English wasn’t my first language, so I welcome the reinforcement.
Surely attacking the musical embodiment of the working class in New Jersey will be good for the conservatives…right?
I feel like if he wanted Jersey to file articles of succession all he would have to do at this point is ban pork rolls.
Why don’t the homeless just simply befriend the children of oil tycoons and have them gift them a vineyard? Then they too could one day fail upwards to become the governor of California.
If Gavin wasn’t the friend of a billionaire he would be an illiterate moron who couldn’t hold down a job.
A perfect example of how terms like “woke” are indefinable.
Women have more rights than men, PERIOD.
E.g: They don’t get drafted
So your one example of women having more rights is a rule made by a society ruled by men? Some people would argue that women are being deprived of the right to fight for their nation…
In most every metric of power in modern society, men are placed over women. In wealth, political appointment, the judiciary, the military, and the police force we see men hold the vast majority of power.
Name a right women have that men do not and I can guarantee that example was implemented and enforced by a group mostly made of men.
It’s almost like memes are based on context… The reason it’s impactful is because in humans it’s rare to see women be the more powerful sex, it’s rare to see women kill men. Flipping the genders wouldn’t flip the context of the the social norms that the meme is dependent on.
A large aspect of humor is a reverse of expectations. The reason this is funny and the reverse is not is because the meme is the reverse of the social normative of humans. Men kill more women, men are bigger and stronger than women, men have more social power than women.
Your accusations of sexism rings hollow when you actually use logic and apply the situation to the realities of our actual societal structure.
I build and fit orthotics and prosthetics…this is mainly just a marketing gimmick. The myoelectric sensors that feed the data to the terminal device are built into the socket of the prosthetic. There’s no real reason to wear the socket without the hand, and you can’t operate the hand without the socket.
The hard connections from the end of the socket and the hand are very durable, and they typically don’t really have any issues with wear. I don’t think fidelity is a big issue because there’s not a ton of information being transferred, the myoelectric sensors haven’t really changed a bunch in the last 40 years and the amount of information being sent is minimal.
The biggest downside I foresee is that if you had different terminal devices, you’re probably going to have to pair them to the socket whenever you want to switch. When the traditional hard connection is just plug and play. That and you are just adding extra things to break in devices that are built to take a beating.
And we are unfortunately vulnerable to regression. It’s sad to think that if Mr Rogers was around today his show would probably be attached to an executive order to have his funding cut.
I don’t know if a similar show would be influential in today’s media market. Not just because it would be considered “woke” by half the population, but because the content would be like watching paint dry for a lot of kids.
I think a big part of learning empathy is wrapped up in learning how to be patient, and how to appreciate someone’s company enough to allot them your time and attention. I just don’t think people value patience very much anymore and wonder if our media reflects that or it’s vice versa.
Yes, and there were plenty of high level Nazi who rose to power in East Germany… Just because Vincenz Müller was chief of staff for the east German army doesn’t mean the Soviets were an evolution of the Nazi state.
It just means that both sides utilized Germans to deter or lead a conflict that was likely going to take place in Germany, and that pretty much all Germans with military or political experience post WW2 were at some point Nazi.
The lady doth protest too much… I’m calling it now, some psychiatrist tried to diagnose Rfk Jr with autism and he lost his fucking shit about it. I mean the dudes been obsessed with dead animals since he was a child always been known as “eccentric”.
Hey, I’m a provider at a hospital who uses MyChart everyday and would like to offer perspective from the other side.
In Mychart I’m sure it stores previous addresses somewhere, but I have no idea where I would even find this information, and can basically guarantee no one else is going to be looking for it.
Part of HIPPA is that we can only access information that is pertinent to your current treatment as a provider. A specialist like someone who works at a cancer clinic would have no reason to access or question you about a previous treatment in a mental health facility unless you have something like a brain tumor.
Also in MyCharts certain notes containing sensitive information like metal health treatment or sexual assault are usually automatically locked out unless additional consent is given by patients, or unless it is directly associated with the current providers treatment plan.
Healthcare visits are not reimbursed by time, but by visit type. It doesn’t matter if I spend 10 min or an hour with a patient. If the visit type is for a specific treatment they are reimbursed at the same rate. The affordable care act highly regulated how facilities are reimbursed for care, wether they are insured or lack coverage. And for the most part providers at hospitals have little to no control on how the hospital charges patients.
I haven’t really heard of anyone refusing care because someone didn’t fill out a mental health screening. I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, so that’s not exactly pertinent to my field. But we have people who refuse to fill out paperwork all the time, and i don’t really care unless it’s pertinent to my current treatment plan.
For me to refuse my services the hospital requires me to have a really good reason why, like attempting to assault me or the staff.
If someone asks you about your previous treatment at the facility and it has nothing to do with your current appointment, I would just ask them how it pertains to your current visit. If they try and make a big deal about it, I would just ask for their manager, and ask them why the provider asked about sensitive information that doesn’t have anything to do with your current treatment.