Same here but we both know we’re in the minority of gun owners, at least as far as public discourse is concerned.

You’re assuming that I don’t. Failing to distinguish between an argument that will land with some people vs one that will land with most people is exactly the problem people are pointing out to you and you’re still doing it here.

The point is that isn’t how the world works. You can complain about that all you like but it won’t change anything. Accept that reality is what it is and respond accordingly. In this case that means using whatever opening you have to press for change. Telling racists they should care about brown people is obviously not going to work, even if it is true. Pointing out that their policies are killing white people might. This is the basic concept of politics.

Maybe that means something different to you than it does to them but that is definitely not true from their perspective or mine. I hear Democrats talk about gun control in various forms on a regular basis.

I don’t think it’s that. This administration has had no problem telling Democrats to go fuck themselves at every turn. I think they realized that they went too far for a significant portion of the conservative allied 2A absolutists who they cannot afford to alienate in an election year.

Many of those people are not nearly as conservative as most tend to believe. They just categorically refuse to vote for Democrats because they have correctly deduced that Democrats want to take their gun rights away. There’s tons of discussion to be had about that topic but it would be a wise strategy for Democrats to stop talking about gun law reform until they have the votes to make it happen. It’s a non-starter for too many people in states they absolutely need to win a Presidential election by a wide enough margin to accomplish anything legislatively. A progressive, pro-2A politician running on a Sanders style populist platform would do well in large parts of the country, especially if a significant portion of gun owners start to doubt the GOP’s commitment to the 2A.

I agree with what you’re saying I just think it’s odd, even by GOP standards, to try and give Trump a pass on something he did by appealing to something he has only talked about doing.

The first two things on that list are crazy in their own uniquely Republican way but the credit card thing is just bizarre. Both in comparison to the others and at face value. You want to give him a pass because he proposed something that hasn’t happened?

Again, what you just described sounds exactly like what they did to both Renee and Alex. I don’t see how some fake database changes that strategy at all.

Does it seem like they’re not already doing that to you?

I wouldn’t keep working for this administration even if I thought there was some good I could do from within. There’s a whole host of moral arguments one could raise in defense of quitting, but self preservation is the best one. I wouldn’t want to find myself defending my decision after this is all over with something like “no seriously guys, I was undercover the whole time”. Would you?

What are you referring to when you say basic brute force protection?

I keep seeing this take and it’s half thought out at best. First of all, I don’t think it’s true. There are plenty of armed citizens not sympathetic to ICE in any way. They are reasonable adults who have not felt it necessary up to this point to engage in a last resort effort that is likely to endanger tens of thousands of people at minimum. You may think we are already past that point, and we may well be, but you can’t deny that wanting to be sure it is necessary before taking up arms against their countrymen is exactly what a reasonable adult with a firearm should do.

Second, if what you are saying is true and there are no reasonable citizens with guns then the logical course of action is to buy a gun, organize in your community, and practice your 2nd Amendment rights as you see fit. They don’t just apply to conservatives despite what Bovino is trying to argue. Complaining about the past isn’t going to change the future so if you see a gap, fill it.

Now I don’t know if you’re American or not but I do see this sentiment from Americans on a regular basis and that is who am I addressing.

It may not be new to you but a lot of people are paying attention currently that normally don’t.

Rodney was black in a coastal city. This was a white guy in the heartland. You could write dissertations on why that difference alone makes a huge impact on perception, not to mention any of the other stuff going on leading up to this.

Video seems to show an agent pulling the gun from the back of his waist. It could have been tucked in his belt but most people with a concealed carry license use an actual holster. An IWB (inside waist band) holster is my educated guess. Some holsters have space for an extra magazine or he could have had one tucked away in any pocket.

“There will be justice for Minnesotans,” Walz added.

These are just empty, pacifying words unless you fucking do something Tim. Why should the people not take it upon themselves to defend their neighbors if you won’t do anything to help them? As far as I know you still haven’t done anything significant about Renee Good. Tell us how, exactly, is this going to be different?

Maybe, assuming you make it out of the encounter alive which seems pretty unlikely. In the pictures and videos of these raids there’s usually at least 6 agents involved. If you drop one or two I don’t think the other four would let you leave or peacefully surrender. If you got all six you might be able to leave or wait for the local PD and turn yourself in to them but all of that sounds pretty unbelievable to me.

FYI - you don’t need permission from anyone or confirmation that others will join you to call in sick tomorrow. This is literally one of the easiest things you could do to show your support. It’s not enough on its own but if we can’t even do this much we won’t do more either.

Good thing Trump put that to bed then huh

Are people in other states planning on participating in this? I’m definitely in