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It’s much more efficient to sway people that vote than it is to sway those that don’t vote

You’re thinking of a powerbottom, but that’s a totally different concept

But what made you think it’s not satire?

Upvote for thinking modern cars have CD players

Or the one who catered my wedding

Bitch almost made me laugh

$100k is about the average household income in the US, the average single income is about $67k

Not on Lemmy

Sure Elon let’s get you to bed

Wait are you telling me there’s folks driving their cybertrucks unpainted

Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully?

I think they would just be emboldened to do it again, like they said they would. Sentiment in Gaza has only recently shifted to the idea that “maybe, it wasn’t such a good plan”. I’m afraid that in the long run, Bibi’s reaction might turn out to be the best one for peace

I never said the jewish immigrants from Russia claimed the land was ‘theirs originally’. It’s a bit weird you make this jump. They were trying to find a place they wouldn’t be genocided

And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?

I’m not sure if you’re really willing to open your mind on this, but the first large wave of immigrants were escapees from pogroms in Russia and they didn’t ‘steal’ any land from anyone

I don’t know about you but I never created Israel. The ones that invented and created it did so to escape bloodshed, so I don’t think they’re unwilling to pay the price

Sure, but people that pull this argument almost always refuse to look at history from the Israeli side. I’m leaving out the pro-Arab arguments for this purpose but bear with me for what is always conveniently forgotten when lemmings say “they deserved it”:

The Gaza strip only came under Israeli control in '67, so in reality the 80 years you mention are 56 years.

From '67 to '91, people could travel freely between Gaza and Israel. After the violence of the First Intifada, this changed, and Israel started requiring personal permits to make sure people coming to Israel had legitimate business there.

The escalations in violence led to the Oslo accords. Groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad vowed to continue the violence until Israel was destroyed, and torpedoed the accords from their side with a series of deadly suicide bomb attacks on public buses in Israel. This led Israel to further tighten the border checkpoints.

Israel withdrew from within Gaza and following the 2007 takeover by Hamas, practically closed the border except for work and medical reasons.

The blockade mostly stopped ground attacks, but Hamas switched their MO to firing missiles. This led to Egypt and Israel progressively tightening their blockade to stop these weapons from being smuggled into Gaza. And Israel to work on a very expensive missile defense, and Israelis living within rocket distance to have to run to shelters almost daily.

And as the daily rocket attacks didn’t bring any improvement for Hamas, they planned for the oct 7 attacks.

As I said the above story is onesided, but when I ask someone what else Israel should have done to stop Hamas from wanting to destroy them, the answer always boils down to “don’t exist”.

Those are all valid points, most of which I can agree with. But that doesn’t mean that Hamas was helping us build a better world when they went on their killing and kidnapping spree. They wanted to restart the hostilities and that’s not some noble goal that should make us lie about what they did or act like they’re not responsible for the deaths of those they took.

How many of these people do you think would be dead if Hamas hadn’t kidnapped them?

They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

How many of the dead hostages would you say Hamas is responsible for?

Currently this jolly fella

Makes him more pleasant to look at actually

Wait you have to put it in?