• Socialist Berserker@lemmy.worldOP
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    19 days ago

    The issue isn’t just about who wins or loses under the FPTP system; it’s about how the system is rigged to keep the same two parties in power, limiting real choices for voters.

    What do I want the Democrats to do? How about stop sabotaging third parties and start fighting for the kind of voting reform that would actually reflect the will of the people?

    And as for supporting voting reform—if the Democrats really cared about it, they’d be leading the charge, not just paying lip service when it suits them.

    So yeah, let’s talk about reforming the voting system, but let’s not pretend the Democrats are blameless in keeping the status quo alive. The fact that the Democrats are working so hard to keep the Green Party off the ticket is proof that they refuse to accept change and are terrified of anything that threatens their stranglehold on power.

    Instead of blaming third parties, they should be leading the charge to reform the system, but their actions show they’re more interested in maintaining the status quo than in true democracy.

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      19 days ago

      Hmm fascinating

      So, I just now edited to take away my comment that you were responding to. Can you tell me what my comment said before I edited it? I.e. what parts of it you were responding to when you typed your response?

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        19 days ago

        Oh and just so we can show everyone you aren’t so clever in trying to prove that I’m a bot, you were talking about FPTP and asked if I wanted dems to lose instead. Then you talked about how repubs actually want to shoot Mexicans (?!) and dogs or something bizarre like that.

        So nah, not quite as clever as you thought. I thought you were replying in good faith, so I responded in kind. But you weren’t.

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          19 days ago

          you were talking about FPTP and asked if I wanted dems to lose instead

          Incorrect

          Want I said was “What do you want them to do, try to lose, instead?”

          Can you compare and contrast those two statements and why they are radically different?

          There was also a pretty central point I made towards the end of the message, which you seem to have missed. I’ll give a hint: It was that quite a lot of Democrats have been s_ppor_ing efforts to reform the voting system so that third parties could have a decent chance of winning

          And I had a link which listed quite a lot of them by name

          Can you fill in the missing two letters in my fill in the blank? I’m tryin to make it easy to recall my argument here, which you seem to have missed in a particular ironic fashion hence the whole runaround of asking you what I had said.

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            19 days ago

            Incorrect

            Want I said was “What do you want them to do, try to lose, instead?”

            And when you asked me what you said, I replied that “you asked if I wanted the Dems to lose instead.” You think that is a completely different statement?! Because I forgot to put in “Try”?!

            You deleted your fucking comment, then asked me that it said. Sorry I couldn’t remember it verbatim.

            I’m not playing your little game, bruh. I’m not gonna “fill in the blanks” and try to remember your posts verbatim. I’m reading and posting and moving on.

            You know, you could have just said something like, “Hey, I think you missed something. I actually had a link to info…” or something.

            But your whole “I deleted my comment, you remember what it said?! Gotcha!!!” bs was uncool. Did you think that was gonna really inspire me to listen to your side and your opinions? Think about that.

            Now I’m not actually certain you’re arguing in good faith or if you are just trying to belittle me.

            I don’t feel like playing “fill in the blanks” and “Yo bro! I deleted my comment, but stay on point hee hee” games. It’s just not worth my time. Next time, maybe just disagree and point it out.

            So I’m done responding to you and I’ve blocked you.

            Oh, and implying that republicans want to get into power to shoot Mexicans and dogs is low and uncalled for. Even for democrats.

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        19 days ago

        Wait, hold up. So you just replied to my article. Then you deleted it. And now you are asking what you said?

        So is this all a big scenario to try to prove I am a bot? Or what is your point. Because no, I don’t believe you suddenly forgot that you posted some bs about how republicans want to shoot Mexicans and their dogs and crazy stuff like that.

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          19 days ago

          I don’t think you are a bot, no. I think you forgot what I said, and what you replied with had absolutely no bearing on any point that I made or the link I included. You just kinda had something you wanted to say, and didn’t notice the relationship that existed between the points that I had made and the things you were typing “in response” to them, just kind of went ahead with typing your talking points as if I hadn’t said something that related to them in a pretty direct way.

          So… what was it? I mean, you made a reply to me, so presumably you were responding in some sense to what I wrote down, so you should be able to skim your reply and recall what I linked to and remember your thought process when you were typing it up in response to the reply that you definitely read and understood. Right? Or not?

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            19 days ago

            I think you forgot what I said, and what you replied with had absolutely no bearing on any point that I made or the link I included.

            No, I replied to what you said with my points. And the whole “Hey bro, I deleted my post, can you tell me what it said?” is creeping very very close to trolling territory.

            I read your reply. I responded. You can choose to accept it or not.

            Just because I may have not broke it down point by point, doesn’t invalidate what I am saying. But playing weird “post then delete and say 'gotcha!” is weird.

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            19 days ago

            Sorry I didn’t give any respect to your implication that repubs want to shoot Mexicans and dogs. That’s because I don’t respect that opinion and I think it’s in very very poor taste. And I don’t even like the republican stances on things!

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      19 days ago

      The DNC has zero interest in reforming systems that work to their advantage. If given a true choice in electoral politics no one in their right mind would support Democrats or Republicans.

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        19 days ago

        A-fcuking-men, brother! And what’s so funny, is now I am responding to people who like to post, then delete their comments, then ask me what they said, trying to belittle people like me and you who refuse to bow down to their viewpoints. (Hi @mozz@mbin.grits.dev !)

        They just can’t accept that plenty of people aren’t following their duopoly worship. lol