Trans athletes in student sports - now I believe there should be no student sports. It’s a waste of educational resources to have a team run by the school system. I went to the football stadium in Allen, TX and I realized how messed up schools have become
I went to more than one high school in which the science classrooms were using worn-out microscopes and textbooks old enough that the teacher occasionally told us to correct bits in ink for the next user, while the football team always got the shiniest newest toys to bang their thick skulls together with.
Abolish institutionalized sports; I’m thinking, in favour of self-organized sports. Just remove the fucking money from it in education - remove the money funnel from education anyway - and watch people care less about composition and more about everyone being active and smiling.
no school sports - this is the most radical take I’ve ever seen on lemmy.
and i like it. I and I like sports. FWIW the town my brother in has no school sports… the sports are run by an independent volunteer org. Nobody gets paid. but i’m not sure it’s a good ‘model’ because their sports program is mediocre and their teams are average at best.
he’s actually trying to move his family to another town with better sports because he expects his kids to go to college on sports scholarship like him and his wife both did. and there is no way that will happen if his kids are bad sports teams.
Personal story: Ages ago I was in marching band in TX, so we had to visit multiple other schools to play against them.
Some of those stadiums, even 20ish years ago, were ridiculous. So much money that could have gone to much better programs, or even a publicly available stadium that aren’t locked to a specific school district. I left band before graduating.
i do think sports have educational value, teaching teamwork and discipline and health. i learned more from cross country and marching band versus everything else combined. but i definitely agree about the ridiculous funding disparity, though, no extracurricular should be getting more funding than core classes
my hot take is that sports and bathrooms shouldn’t be gendered. i understand the “seperate but equal” clause doesn’t include gender, but it should, given the better funding and accomodation boys sports get over all but the best girls teams. siloing off genders has catastrophic cultural consequences- “locker room talk” shouldn’t and wouldn’t exist otherwise, plus the whole trans rights thing that shouldn’t and wouldn’t be an issue
Unisex restrooms are already a thing. Is there a statistically significant increase in reported harassment that occurs in them when compared to single-sex restrooms?
Unisex restrooms are single occupancy in the US, maybe not where you’re from. Another note, I am 100% certain you are a man or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Back on track, you want possible rapists sharing a private space with women? A space that, by definition, can’t be monitored or recorded?
Parking garages are unisex! Ask the women in your life how they feel about walking through one alone at night. How do you think they would feel being even more vulnerable, with their clothes partly off?
I feel you’ve mistaken the way the world should be with the way it is.
How would one gather data on a thing that largely doesn’t exist?
Here’s a quick result I found. Unfortunately, most of the search returns are about transgender issues, not our topic here and this one is on locker rooms. 🤷🏼♂️
In any case, if women are leary of parking garages, you think most would be OK with sharing a bathroom with a man? If you’re really a woman, you weren’t born that way and didn’t grow up with the dangers, or you’re in a rare place on Earth where women are perfectly safe from men.
I’m big into sports but this seems like a reasonable take – it’s already the case that none of the good youth soccer leagues are affiliated with schools, and it’s easy to see how you extend that model to other school sports. Also, having the NCAA be the minor league for the NFL is enriching NFL owners at the expense of our university system. The downside, of course, is that we’ll exclude children whose parents can’t afford to pay for club sports, which generally I’m in favor of moving public goods (like getting children active and learning how to cooperate) to be paid for by government rather than private enterprise, but I get it. I’m not sure how it relates to trans athletes in sports, though – you’re just kicking the can down the road to a bunch of laws and lawsuits about discrimination and participation in club sports rather than school sports.
Trans athletes in student sports - now I believe there should be no student sports. It’s a waste of educational resources to have a team run by the school system. I went to the football stadium in Allen, TX and I realized how messed up schools have become
Not only would amateur sports leagues helps schools to focus on education, they would be a massive boon to the obesity and loneliness epidemics.
Sports are actually good overall, but the overly strong focus and wasted money spent on them is absolutely ridiculous.
Sports should be for lots of people to play, not just a few ridiculously skilled experts, with everyone else just watching.
I LOLOLED
Its funny how people come to radically different conclusions on one topic:
Conservatives: Omg gEnDeRs! What would we do if a boy and a girl touched, jaysus would rain hellfire on us
LGBT+ Allies: Trans Women are Women
Egalitarians: Gender shouldnt matter
This guy: ABOLISH SPORTS
But still lowkey an interesting take +1
When you find out how much of the education budget goes to the sportsball team instead of the educating it’s not such a radical take.
I went to more than one high school in which the science classrooms were using worn-out microscopes and textbooks old enough that the teacher occasionally told us to correct bits in ink for the next user, while the football team always got the shiniest newest toys to bang their thick skulls together with.
Abolish institutionalized sports; I’m thinking, in favour of self-organized sports. Just remove the fucking money from it in education - remove the money funnel from education anyway - and watch people care less about composition and more about everyone being active and smiling.
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people in the usa would rather give up their guns and their right to vote than their sports.
no school sports - this is the most radical take I’ve ever seen on lemmy.
and i like it. I and I like sports. FWIW the town my brother in has no school sports… the sports are run by an independent volunteer org. Nobody gets paid. but i’m not sure it’s a good ‘model’ because their sports program is mediocre and their teams are average at best.
he’s actually trying to move his family to another town with better sports because he expects his kids to go to college on sports scholarship like him and his wife both did. and there is no way that will happen if his kids are bad sports teams.
Personal story: Ages ago I was in marching band in TX, so we had to visit multiple other schools to play against them.
Some of those stadiums, even 20ish years ago, were ridiculous. So much money that could have gone to much better programs, or even a publicly available stadium that aren’t locked to a specific school district. I left band before graduating.
i do think sports have educational value, teaching teamwork and discipline and health. i learned more from cross country and marching band versus everything else combined. but i definitely agree about the ridiculous funding disparity, though, no extracurricular should be getting more funding than core classes
my hot take is that sports and bathrooms shouldn’t be gendered. i understand the “seperate but equal” clause doesn’t include gender, but it should, given the better funding and accomodation boys sports get over all but the best girls teams. siloing off genders has catastrophic cultural consequences- “locker room talk” shouldn’t and wouldn’t exist otherwise, plus the whole trans rights thing that shouldn’t and wouldn’t be an issue
Do you really want boys sharing restrooms and locker rooms with girls? I think the girls may have something to say about that.
I don’t think bathrooms should be segregated by gender at all.
I should note for the lemmings constantly on the lookout for anti-LGBT shit, this is not a trans thing.
Do you think women, of any age, want to share a restroom, with no cameras, with possible rapists?
Unisex restrooms are already a thing. Is there a statistically significant increase in reported harassment that occurs in them when compared to single-sex restrooms?
Unisex restrooms are single occupancy in the US, maybe not where you’re from. Another note, I am 100% certain you are a man or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Back on track, you want possible rapists sharing a private space with women? A space that, by definition, can’t be monitored or recorded?
Parking garages are unisex! Ask the women in your life how they feel about walking through one alone at night. How do you think they would feel being even more vulnerable, with their clothes partly off?
I feel you’ve mistaken the way the world should be with the way it is.
I’m not a man.
You didn’t answer my question about the data. Is there a statistically significant increase in reported harassment in multi-occupant unisex restrooms?
How would one gather data on a thing that largely doesn’t exist?
Here’s a quick result I found. Unfortunately, most of the search returns are about transgender issues, not our topic here and this one is on locker rooms. 🤷🏼♂️
https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/
In any case, if women are leary of parking garages, you think most would be OK with sharing a bathroom with a man? If you’re really a woman, you weren’t born that way and didn’t grow up with the dangers, or you’re in a rare place on Earth where women are perfectly safe from men.
That’s like saying the arts are a waste, it’s a “I don’t like it or see the benefit so it shouldn’t exist” scenario
I’m big into sports but this seems like a reasonable take – it’s already the case that none of the good youth soccer leagues are affiliated with schools, and it’s easy to see how you extend that model to other school sports. Also, having the NCAA be the minor league for the NFL is enriching NFL owners at the expense of our university system. The downside, of course, is that we’ll exclude children whose parents can’t afford to pay for club sports, which generally I’m in favor of moving public goods (like getting children active and learning how to cooperate) to be paid for by government rather than private enterprise, but I get it. I’m not sure how it relates to trans athletes in sports, though – you’re just kicking the can down the road to a bunch of laws and lawsuits about discrimination and participation in club sports rather than school sports.
I think that’s an American-centric view. It’s uniquely American to build a stadium for high school sports.