Better late than never, I guess …
[Warning: this is mostly a rant.]
At this rate the only ones not saying so are either 1) with vested interest on the genocide, or 2) ignorant fucks. In the meantime the State of Israel (SoI) is trying to make sure that everyone conflates five things into two:
Hamas and Palestinians
Yes, Hamas is rotten. It stinks nationalism from a distance and, given material conditions, it would happily exterminate all religious Jews and ethnically Jewish people off the planet.
But can you really blame in sane conscience the Palestinian population? They have absolutely zero control over Hamas, and most of that population’s “sin” is to try to keep on with their lives. And like it or not that rotten filth is at least offering some resistance against the Israeli government.
the SoI itself, the Israeli population, and Jewish people around the world
Just like most Palestinians I do believe that most of the Israeli population just wants to live in peace. And no, they have no fucking control over their own government, the SoI - it’s a bloody ruling class that does it, as in any other government.
And, just like the Israeli population shouldn’t be seen as the offending party - unlike the SoI - nor should be the Jewish population around the world. “Oh, look, you belong to the ethnicity promoted by that Nazist government in the Middle East, so you’re at fault” is not only morally insane, it’s bloody stupid.
But it’s convenient for the SoI to lump those three things together, right? Show some Israeli person dying, blame it on the Palestinians, then claim that it’s an attack against the Jewish people; the SoI is using its own population and Jews around the world to shield itself from criticism, and claim that said criticism is Anti-Semitism while it’s doing towards the Palestinians exactly what Hitler did against SoI’s meat shield.
Fuck this shit. And fuck that 1700s ideology, called nationalism, that filth LARPing as humans being loves so much. “But we have a culture of trust among ourselves!” (implied: “dirty foreigners are not worth trust”) here “but we’re proud!” (implied: “we see ourselves as something aside from all those dirty foreigners, they don’t even lick the same boots as we do!”) that, and in the meantime this shite is a pillar of ideologies like Nazism, Zionism and all that crap.
Also fuck plenty Western governments, plus the United-Statian one. It’s convenient to have a puppet state in the Middle East, isn’t it? What’s a genocide if you can profit from it? This is not even Realpolitik, it’s sadism.
Sorry if my rambling is incoherent.
Relevant “Redditors LARPing as h4x0rz News” comments that I’d like to share here:
Sadly, there’s a reason the “Gaza tourniquet” had to be invented. https://glia.org/pages/the-glia-tourniquet-project
Spot on.
Genocide requires proving intentionality. Specifically, the deliberate intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a protected group. This is a serious and complex standard, and it’s central to the legal definition.
Ah, as usual the esoteric concept of “intentions”.
It’s convenient, isn’t it? I’m full of Good Intentions®, and nobody can prove otherwise because guess what, nobody knows what’s inside my head! So by “intentions” it’s damn easy to subvert the legal and moral principle of presumption of innocence to pat harmful individuals and entities (like the state of Israel) causing harm.
Try instead look at responsibility, effect, and the info available at hand when the decisions were taken. When you do it, even if you keep the principle of presumption of innocence (as it’s sane by itself), you can’t look at the state of Israel and say that is should get a free pass.
so was the dam-busters [SIC] raid by england [SIC - United Kingdom] in ww2 against nazi germany also “genocide”? or were they both just “warfare”
Typical whataboutism. But let’s bite.
I don’t know if I’d consider Operation Chastise genocide or not. Probably leaking into genocide territory. Even then, the target was industrial operations supporting the war, not just “let’s get rid of the Germans” like SoI is clearly doing.
There’s video clips of military leaders and Netanyahu being very clear about their genocidal intent. The only ones not calling it a genocide are paid to say that.
The only ones not calling it a genocide are paid to say that.
Plus ignorant fucks parroting what those people being paid say.
So yes, I agree with you on this. What I’m going to say is mostly focusing on a single detail.
There’s video clips of military leaders and Netanyahu being very clear about their genocidal intent.
The trick here is that there’s no record of the intent itself, as this is impossible. There’s only videos of what Nazinyahu and the military leaders say. As such if we focus on intent there are multiple ways to distort what they say to claim that it was something else, or say that it was forged, or shit like this.
So I think that it’s simpler to look at their responsibility, their actions, the outcome of those actions, and the professed knowledge. Unlike intent those things are fairly objective, and more than enough to call out their genocide.
