• bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    I don’t buy that.

    I know personally that election worker pay is dogshit. It’s way too cheap to do an election. Even if it weren’t, even if a person didn’t have my mistrust of machine voting, wouldn’t recognizing that the vote will likely be contested mean that going ahead and preparing to do a hand count anyway be the right choice?

    I mean, we’re headed for hand counts in the future anyway because no one trusts the elections. Even if someone wasn’t a proponent of hand counts like me, isn’t it good to be ready?

    What chaos that you talked about is gonna be brought on by this hand count? I can’t help but think that the whole election is chaotic…

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      1 month ago

      Pretty simple:

      • They require three people on each count. One is a Republican, one a Democrat, one an election worker
      • There isn’t money to hire election workers, so they can’t count the ballots fast
      • The Republicans are going to raise all sorts of random objections with no real basis
      • The slow counting in urban areas plus the spurious objections creates an excuse for local boards to refuse to certify the results
      • This in turn means no EVs from Georgia, so the election gets tossed to the house
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        I know I sound like a broken record, but I don’t buy that.

        Last time a recount was ended and decided by a governmental body other than the election boards it was bush v gore and the Supreme Court. Back then there was a judicial branch less accommodating to the republicans. If the goal was to appoint the winner that would be the way to go. Theres precedent and it’s much easier to wrangle seven judges than it is to get the whole house in line.

        Why would it matter if the count is slow? Provisional ballots aren’t done for weeks after the election. In a close race it would be a long time till we’d know for sure anyway.

        Why do you think only the republican counter will raise objections? That hasn’t been my experience…

        When local boards refuse to certify an election the first step is a recount, not to kick it up the chain.

        If it is as chaotic and as big a deal as you’re saying, wouldn’t the spotlight be on the count/recount in a way that would make it hard to manipulate?

        I’m not gonna dox myself, but my objections to these lines of reasoning stem not just from having read extensively about the way 2000 was handled but also from my own experience working an election.

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          You mean the 2000 election that the hand recount took so long the supreme Court told Florida to stop counting when Bush was ahead, and then when all votes were counted Gore would have won?

          Yeah. Great example of how delays caused by objections this rule allows can lead to not all votes being counted.

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            1 month ago

            They would have had to recount the whole state of Florida to get the correct result (gore wins), not the counties they were recounting, so bush v gore was decided correctly. Maybe not for the right reasons, but it reflected reality.

            What I was referencing was that it’s pretty silly to think that the plan would be to herd the house into choosing the president when it’s easier to influence five or six judges and it worked before.

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          1 month ago

          They’re pretty explicit about the plan here: chaos, providing an excuse to ignore actual votes

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              1 month ago

              The election board has a majority who deny the 2020 results. What exactly do you think they’re planning to do?

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                I don’t know what people think or plan.

                I’m interested to see if people have been discussing how to use the election process to disrupt the election itself though.

                I also don’t think it’s a big deal if a hand count takes longer. Like I said before, provisional ballots aren’t finalized for weeks after the election so what’s the big deal?

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                    1 month ago

                    It also provides a level of transparency to refute those claims if there is no fraud.

                    In the future there will be more contested elections. If you want to stop hearing people claim voter fraud then we need to start practicing clear and open processes now instead of pushing those people to the sideline.

                    Most elected officials don’t take office until January. The window between the election and Those people being seated is two months and some weeks no matter what. If the count is done in two hours, two days or two weeks, there’s still two months and some weeks to drum up a fraud case.