• spongebue@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    Saving you a click: Rand Paul, Thom Tillis, and Susan Collins voted against. Everyone else on party lines. Vance tiebreaker.

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          15 hours ago

          Always, every time. This is Lemmy, after all, and we have a narrative to maintain.

          Look, not just this. I’m not fucking happy about the state of the world. I just want to be as practical and effective as possible in fighting for a better world. Often that means you have to work with people like Chuck Schumer, and maybe understand some of the positions he has been in and why he made the decisions he has even if you don’t agree with them.

          Everyone loves to chuck rocks from the sidelines without any consideration for how to actually get things done or the actual repercussions of your actions.

          I want more Democratic Socialism. I want more Zohran Mamdani. I want more AOC. But I don’t want to throw out the Manchin while we’re at it, because I want the fucking votes to get shit done. And I hate Manchin. But Jim Justice is much worse, and we all knew he’d be worse. There was never any doubt. So why did we spend so much time railing against Manchin while there were clearly more important races that needed our attention?

          Posting things against the rules in regards to the IDF might be what they deserve, sure. But it doesn’t serve anyone, and it hurts the platform you’re posting on. It hurts any other messages that might be more effective. It does more damage to your cause than it helps.

          I get that you’re angry. We’re all angry. But you’re not yelling into a vacuum. And if we’re yelling, I want it to serve a purpose.

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            Umm, they were joining your sarcasm. They were agreeing with you that even the centrists were not responsible for this.

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              Yeah, I got that. Tried to show that with the “always, every time”. Wanted to expound anyway.

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            Similarly, there’s a real good fucking reason abortion wasn’t enshrined into law during Obama’s tenure: Dems had a filibuster proof majority for a handful of weeks, and we got the ACA. Many Dems at the time were drastically “pro-life” / anti abortion.

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              And if they could have seen the future, they would have likely made the attempt. At the time, even most conservative judges weren’t big on overturning existing rulings. There was always risk, but there wasn’t as much risk as with a lot of other things that needed attention. And if we had gotten into a state where Roe was overturned, we probably had some pretty damn big issues to deal with.

              They’re not complete idiots. Harris did largely run on a lot of “much the same”. But Biden was a damn good president and things were improving at a very nice rate. Of course people don’t like hearing that when they can always find things to be negative about, and their own situation likely hasn’t drastically improved.

              It’s hard for people to understand that in normal times nearly every administration really has made efforts to make your lives better. Maybe not in all the ways they should (tax the fucking billionaires). But they’ve largely gotten the low hanging fruit. (Building mass transit isn’t low hanging.) It’s not that easy to just come in and fix everything, especially after half of it gets smashed every 8 years. Biden did a pretty great job of that, and if we had 16 years of Biden-like government, I bet this country would be in pretty damn great shape. This country is an aircraft carrier, not a canoe, and the only way it drastically changes direction in a short time is if someone starts blowing holes in the bottom of it.

              I don’t even want to say the things I’m looking forward to from the Biden administration, because it seems like they’re watching social media for things to destroy.

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                I do think we have a shitton more room for Democratic Socialism. But I also think we need to sell it to the billionaires. And we should be able to sell it to a good number of them. They have a lot of the power in this country, mostly to manipulate you through media, social and otherwise.

                The thing is that these polices like medicare for all, education for all, and mass transit are good for the billionaires too. When people are less desperate and have more to lose, they commit less crime. That’s pretty much the entire reason for the racial disparity in crime rates. If you want less of “those people”, all you have to do is make them middle class. That’s within the billionaire’s power with good policy and a couple decades.

                I’m hoping the blowback from our literal fascism is enough to get people to understand things like this along with, you know, why laws are important. The billionaires and republicans had a brush with the way they wanted to do things and it was an absolute shitshow. Maybe some of them who were getting too high on their own supply will take some of these lessons to heart, and they’ll allow us to start making this a better place. It doesn’t take many.

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      I suppose the one meager upside is that this stone is now tied around Vance’s neck, too, for the next presidential election.

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        13 hours ago

        I wouldn’t get that impression based on his remarks when he announced he’s not running for re-election. Paul, on the other hand…