Yes, obviously, but these type of comments are self-defeating and unhelpful. It’s more about trying to encourage the circulation of the idea that ICE needs to face criminal accountability. There should be a paragraph on ICE’s potential criminal liability in every article about them. People should mention their susceptibility to prosecution on every discussion about them. We should be including the topic of prosecutions in every casual conversation about ICE.
The right wing learned a long time ago that the public narrative matters. If there’s an idea worth spreading, then spread it. We need to get the idea of accountability in the public consciousness whenever possible. Otherwise, it’s the default instinct of every Democratic politician to try to be magnanimous when they’re elected. Liberals are by their nature non-confrontational; they’re happy to have people walk all over them. Obama and Biden both refused to prosecute the previous administration and tried to be grand peace makers, and look how that turned out. It will take a lot of public pressure if there’s ever going to be any accountability. That’s why we need to be circulating these ideas in the Zeitgeist. Yes, obviously this is just lemmy, but there’s no need to be such an unhelpful cynic.
Thank you. I am fully on board and you’re 100% speaking my language.
I’m a cynic because I want people to get pissed off. At least pissed off people might do something.
The left is sleeping on actually utilizing the Internet for spreading ideas. They need to stop showing up in the street and start actually producing content.
Like I just checked out Joe Rogan sub Reddit to see people shitting on him and found stuff like this. It’s funny and honestly gets so much attention even though it’s stupid. Where the fuck is this stuff on Lemmy. Are we just here to passively read articles and yell how we’re going to punch a Nazi and then not even bother to fight Nazi shit online?
Yeah, whenever i see someone here saying that we need to resort to violence, my immediate thought is always, “Ok tough guy, where’s your truck bomb?”
I do more IRL resistance work than at least 95% of the people on this site. And I’m not even talking protests. I’m directly, on the ground, working to help some of the people most hurt by the regime’s policies. I’m not into violence, but I’m not above disobeying unjust laws either. So it’s not like I’m some online slactavist that refuses to lift a finger to actually help people. The kind of work I do is the kind of thing I can’t even post about on social media.
But it is an incredible shame how the right has taken over so many online spaces. 10-15 years ago, the left more dominated online spaces. The early internet was a mix of very libertarian and progressive. Hell the internet was built from the ground up on socialist principles. But it’s the right that really learned how to use the net most effectively as a means of mass communication and propaganda. And they did so quite deliberately. There was a deliberate and organized campaign among white supremacists on places like stormfront to subtly move their message to the mainstream.
I think those on the left tend to view things from way too scholarly a perspective. Why repeat the same message if you’ve already written extensively about it before? Or make sure to not post simple understandable messages; instead start with a dozen qualifiers and provisos that end up watering down your whole message. It’s more important to be intellectually rigorous than it is to effectively communicate your values. Or there’s the tendency for purity tests that end up shoving away otherwise eager allies.
The right meanwhile has learned that even bold faced lies can become widely accepted if you simply repeat them loudly and often enough.
So many ice agents here on Lemmy
Yes, obviously, but these type of comments are self-defeating and unhelpful. It’s more about trying to encourage the circulation of the idea that ICE needs to face criminal accountability. There should be a paragraph on ICE’s potential criminal liability in every article about them. People should mention their susceptibility to prosecution on every discussion about them. We should be including the topic of prosecutions in every casual conversation about ICE.
The right wing learned a long time ago that the public narrative matters. If there’s an idea worth spreading, then spread it. We need to get the idea of accountability in the public consciousness whenever possible. Otherwise, it’s the default instinct of every Democratic politician to try to be magnanimous when they’re elected. Liberals are by their nature non-confrontational; they’re happy to have people walk all over them. Obama and Biden both refused to prosecute the previous administration and tried to be grand peace makers, and look how that turned out. It will take a lot of public pressure if there’s ever going to be any accountability. That’s why we need to be circulating these ideas in the Zeitgeist. Yes, obviously this is just lemmy, but there’s no need to be such an unhelpful cynic.
Thank you. I am fully on board and you’re 100% speaking my language.
I’m a cynic because I want people to get pissed off. At least pissed off people might do something.
The left is sleeping on actually utilizing the Internet for spreading ideas. They need to stop showing up in the street and start actually producing content.
Like I just checked out Joe Rogan sub Reddit to see people shitting on him and found stuff like this. It’s funny and honestly gets so much attention even though it’s stupid. Where the fuck is this stuff on Lemmy. Are we just here to passively read articles and yell how we’re going to punch a Nazi and then not even bother to fight Nazi shit online?
Yeah, whenever i see someone here saying that we need to resort to violence, my immediate thought is always, “Ok tough guy, where’s your truck bomb?”
I do more IRL resistance work than at least 95% of the people on this site. And I’m not even talking protests. I’m directly, on the ground, working to help some of the people most hurt by the regime’s policies. I’m not into violence, but I’m not above disobeying unjust laws either. So it’s not like I’m some online slactavist that refuses to lift a finger to actually help people. The kind of work I do is the kind of thing I can’t even post about on social media.
But it is an incredible shame how the right has taken over so many online spaces. 10-15 years ago, the left more dominated online spaces. The early internet was a mix of very libertarian and progressive. Hell the internet was built from the ground up on socialist principles. But it’s the right that really learned how to use the net most effectively as a means of mass communication and propaganda. And they did so quite deliberately. There was a deliberate and organized campaign among white supremacists on places like stormfront to subtly move their message to the mainstream.
I think those on the left tend to view things from way too scholarly a perspective. Why repeat the same message if you’ve already written extensively about it before? Or make sure to not post simple understandable messages; instead start with a dozen qualifiers and provisos that end up watering down your whole message. It’s more important to be intellectually rigorous than it is to effectively communicate your values. Or there’s the tendency for purity tests that end up shoving away otherwise eager allies.
The right meanwhile has learned that even bold faced lies can become widely accepted if you simply repeat them loudly and often enough.
Point them out
It’s hard to identify them because they wear masks when they’re on here