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The USSR definitely put in huge work, but at the end of the day, “Stalingrad” was besieged and close to being finished off, German forces were right outside Moscow, and all of Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics were occupied (aka the most heavily industrialised areas)
The reality is that without the USA committing significant industrial resources to its allies (particularly the lend lease) and keeping the Western front open, the USSR was a matter of months away from being finished off.
The war was not won by only the efforts of the USA or the USSR.
Usa didn’t do shit except nuke civilians. Oh wait thats what they always do
The allies were the ones who left the USSR alone against the fascists in the first place lmao, look at anything Churchill and Chamberlain wrote about the USSR and stop confabulating about how Yankoids saved Private Ryan
The innocent USSR, who had no choice but to partition Poland with Nazi Germany
The USSR never colonized anyone. Further, it supported movements in Cuba, Angola, Algeria, China, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine, and more.
As for Poland, rather than let the genocidal Nazis take all of Poland, the Soviets stopped them from taking all of it. We see the difference in treatment when the Nazis exterminated Polish people and the Soviets did not.
The USSR never sided with the Nazis. They hated each other. The liberal democracies of Europe made similar agreements with Hitler before the USSR, and shot down Stalin’s suggestions of an anti-fascist alliance. Furthermore, US industrialists were directly inspired by Fascist Germany and Italy to carry out the failed Business Plot against FDR. The USA also paid reparations to German industrialists for their destroyed property after the war was over (Yes, even German industrialists who used Holocaust slave labor, like Krupp).
1933 - UK, France, Italy - The four powers pact
1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact
1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval agreement
1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern pact
1938 - September - UK - German-British Non Aggression Pact (Munich Agreement )
1938 - December - France - German-French Non Aggression Pact
1939 - March - Romania - German Romanian Economical Treaty
1939 - March - Lithuania - Non aggression ultimatum
1939 - May - Italy - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)
1939 - May - Denmark - Non aggression pact
1939 - June - Estonia - non aggression pact
1939 - July - Latvia - non aggression pact
1939 - August - USSR - Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Aggression pact - the only ones libs care about
Stalin with regards to this said:
“Indeed, it would be ridiculous and stupid to close our eyes to the capitalist encirclement and think that our external enemies, the fascists, for example, will not, if the opportunity arises, make an attempt at an attack upon the USSR. Only blind braggarts or masked enemies who desire to lull the vigilance of our people can think like that.”
Even the US state department confirmed Stalin’s rationale for a pact with Hitler
“The Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany after the British and French rejected Soviet offers to establish a military alliance against Germany”
CIA declassifies its dealings with ex nazis
Stalin ‘planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact’
How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II
https://lemmy.ml/post/28786830/18074249 @cowbee@lemmy.ml Bro I am starting to think these guys have not familiarized themselves with the literature
Yep, history from a liberal perspective only makes sense if you selectively cut out and any all context and erase common sense.
Your combative stance highlights that you are unable to stray from your ideological perspective to admit any fault on the part of the USSR.
The reason that people “only care” about the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is because the USSR colluded with Germany to partition Poland. It was not just a defensive pact.
You have made (or perhaps, copy pasted) a selective list showing Western collusion/cooperation with Nazi Germany while minimizing USSR collusion with the same. This is whataboutism.
I am a much better critic of the USSR than you, because I don’t slavishly adhere to the narrative of the US. You’re dealing entirely in ideology and I’m actually engaging with the premises of the historical narrative, something you’re unable to do. You are listing off random USSR Bad factoids instead of acknowledging there are criticisms of them. You simply decided not to look at them because it’s too hard for you. It’s just your aim to control the conversation and downplay or ignore the information you’re presented with.
The Katyn Massacre begs to differ with your overall thesis on Poland. Had protecting the Polish really been the desired outcome, they could have been granted autonomy of their own domestic affairs rather than annexation into the Soviet Union, in what was clearly an imperialist landgrab.
“The katyn massacre begs to differ with your overall thesis” is such tortured awful writing that I hesitate to keep responding in order to walk you through every Timothy Snyder-tier pop history factoid lodged in your brain. It’s like talking to myself when I was 14 reading Robert Evans articles on Cracked. Let me know when you get through these, you’re welcome~ https://annas-archive.se/md5/9f9f3ebb076a7ed2d91f51d0e5440f20
https://annas-archive.se/md5/dbf40cb981d075d2ecfd00af5dad05d4
Sorry for disturbing you, you must be quite sensitive. I’m sure I’ll get around to those.
“Sensitive” to people shitting out sentences less meaningful than Colourless Green Ideas Sleep Furiously in my mentions while handwaving collaboration with Nazis as politically acceptable and common yes. You’re pestering me. I’ve been doing all of the lifting here and educating you. I don’t think you will read those. What was the last history book you read/documentary watched etc? What made you feel entitled to my time in the first place?
Meaning was pretty simple, you said something misleading, so I gave a piece of evidence to counter it. Pretty big massacre of Poles.
You are correct, I will probably not read those, I was being sarcastic. You’re pretty clearly severely biased, as well as just trying to be combative for combativeness’ sake, so I’m not particularly interested. Regarding me feeling entitled, you are here posting in a community that I subscribe to, so I do feel fully entitled to engage with you as a fellow user . Particularly when someone makes a claim, it is pretty common practice on the internet to challenge it, ask for a source, etc.
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Dehumanizing, typical nazi strategy
Completely random pedophilia accusations, typical elon musk (nazi) strategy