• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 month ago

    Because a vote abstention is a vote for the person in the lead. If Harris is in the lead, then every single American who abstains from voting is essentially helping her win, but the same is true if Trump is in the lead. Convincing Green voters that it makes more sense in a FPTP system to vote Democrat as its the closest party to their preferred ideology is a statistically productive activity.

    • basmati@lemmus.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 month ago

      Voting for genocide will never be something you can convince humans is in their best interest as close to their preferred ideology.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        Genocide is bad. Multiple genocides, and faster, is worse. One genocide is closer to my preferred ideology of zero genocides than that same genocide but worse, plus additional genocides. The only people who are unconvinced by that arithmetic are idealists who care more about maintaining their ideological purity than actually helping people.

        • basmati@lemmus.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 month ago

          I’m not voting for any genocide, sorry. It sucks you have no red line, no limit to your loyalty, no bottom depth to your depravity you willingly vote for, but I have a simple one:

          No genocide.

          Until the US stops contributing soft power, arms, cash, and troops on the ground to a genocide, the people in exclusive control of that don’t get my vote.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 month ago

            You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how voting works, mechanically, in a FPTP system. You don’t vote for things. You vote against them.

            Once RCV takes hold (thank your local and state representatives) I’ll be right there beside you voting my conscience. Until then, that’s not a productive strategy. It does not achieve the intended goal.

            Lesser evil buys time. Vote for progressives on your state ballots. If there aren’t any, vote for progressives on your local ballots. If there aren’t any, run for local office as a progressive.

            • basmati@lemmus.org
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              1 month ago

              You’ve been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it’s bought you time?

              I’m not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I’m not voting for Dems or Reps.

              • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 month ago

                Sounds like you’re voting hard in favor of worse genocide. Either that or basic logic isn’t your strong suit and you’re doing it unknowingly

                • basmati@lemmus.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  “worse genocide” do you people actually read what you type?

                  Say that out loud to yourself. That you are voting for less genocide instead of no genocide, and then tell me you’re still the good guy.

                  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    3
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    I can use logic to defend my view much unlike yourself. Accelerationists are the fucking worst 🤮

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                You’ve been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it’s bought you time?

                Unequivocally yes. Imagine if the right wing clinched power in 1944 and never lost traction. You think civil rights would be better?

                I’m not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I’m not voting for Dems or Reps.

                What’s that accomplished in the last 80 years?