Just, please, stop with idiotic replies accusing people to be enslaved in the system because it’s an insult to anyone who is currently looking for a solution for cancer, saving lives as a firefighter, building houses where people will live, growing crops, and even keeping up internet so people can praise the revolution against the machine from their bedrooms.
First of all, I didn’t accuse anybody of anything here except try to push back against what I percieved as a comment that is disapproving of debate:
Ping me when you changed the world with whatever you are actually doing behind that keyboard 👋
Secondly, Minimizing participation in the orphan-crushing machine but also debating politics on available platforms are not antithetical. Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things you say are “real” worthwhile pursuits. For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted? If evangelising about the “real” problems you care about is labelled as politics then can you really make progress without “political” action such as debating?
In the same vein, doing the small things in protest is the stepping stones to doing bigger things. It works the same way for any pursuit. Why shouldn’t I practice discipline with my disdain for all the small evil while also pushing for more?
Edit: Add the quote that i felt was misunderstanding why we need to protest in our own small ways.
Edit2: I think we are in agreement. I misread the thread. My comment is actually a refutation of the main post.
Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things you say are “real” worthwhile pursuits.
I love debating because, with time, I became aware of angles I had missed. However, I stop when the other side embraces extremist, black&white, and childish positions. “Fuck the system” works when you are a teenager or listening to punk rock, but otherwise it is just ridiculous.
For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted?
You can’t. However, you also can’t if you are not 100% in the system and aligned. Anything requiring funding or permits most likely becomes harder the less aligned you are since you’d clash with politics, you’d never meet people with money, you’d become a liability, and so on.
I’m all in to go to protests, to vote with my wallet, and to preach my values. I’m also conscious of the negligible impact that I will have since large organized movements can barely move the needle, and that there are so many other ways to change the world.
First of all, I didn’t accuse anybody of anything here except try to push back against what I percieved as a comment that is disapproving of debate:
Secondly, Minimizing participation in the orphan-crushing machine but also debating politics on available platforms are not antithetical. Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things you say are “real” worthwhile pursuits. For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted? If evangelising about the “real” problems you care about is labelled as politics then can you really make progress without “political” action such as debating?
In the same vein, doing the small things in protest is the stepping stones to doing bigger things. It works the same way for any pursuit. Why shouldn’t I practice discipline with my disdain for all the small evil while also pushing for more?
Edit: Add the quote that i felt was misunderstanding why we need to protest in our own small ways.
Edit2: I think we are in agreement. I misread the thread. My comment is actually a refutation of the main post.
I love debating because, with time, I became aware of angles I had missed. However, I stop when the other side embraces extremist, black&white, and childish positions. “Fuck the system” works when you are a teenager or listening to punk rock, but otherwise it is just ridiculous.
You can’t. However, you also can’t if you are not 100% in the system and aligned. Anything requiring funding or permits most likely becomes harder the less aligned you are since you’d clash with politics, you’d never meet people with money, you’d become a liability, and so on.
I’m all in to go to protests, to vote with my wallet, and to preach my values. I’m also conscious of the negligible impact that I will have since large organized movements can barely move the needle, and that there are so many other ways to change the world.