A poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds that many Democrats see their political party as “weak” or “ineffective.”
Many isn’t most. Of course I’m also factoring the electoral system which isn’t a pure nationwide majority. The majority of states voted for right wing policies. The entire midwest wouldn’t have all voted for Trump.
Voting blue no matter who is why Trump was able to gain control in the first place.
If that were true then Trump could not have won. Right wing states wanted Trump.
Or, it could be, that they didn’t want to vote for a horrible person that wanted to keep the war-machine going and screwing over the working class.
But Trump promised to continue the Palestinian genocide, increase the military, and cut taxes for the rich. She promised to stop the Palestinian genocide and give them self determination. Trump tweeted a picture of him on with Gaza turned into an Israeli beach resort.
But we had two right candidates.
If you can’t see a difference between Harris and Trump then you are in effect a Trump supporter. To say that means you believe that Harris would have been exactly the same president as Trump.
The majority of states voted for right wing policies.
A lot of the states that voted for Trump also voted for left-wing policies, like raising the minimum wage. But they didn’t have any lefty politicians to vote for.
If that were true then Trump could not have won. Right wing states wanted Trump.
Yes it is. Voting blue no matter who has allowed the Democrats to become fat and lazy. Thus, they aren’t fighting for anything, and people don’t believe in them.
But Trump promised to continue the Palestinian genocide, increase the military, and cut taxes for the rich. She promised to stop the Palestinian genocide and give them self determination. Trump tweeted a picture of him on with Gaza turned into an Israeli beach resort.
Of course he did. I never said otherwise. But she did not promise to stop the genocide. In fact, she said that she would continue to support Israel, just like her predecessor.
If you can’t see a difference between Harris and Trump then you are in effect a Trump supporter. To say that means you believe that Harris would have been exactly the same president as Trump.
Who said that there was no difference between Harris and Trump? I certainly didn’t. I also never said that they would have been exactly the same. It’s always amazing to me how Liberals will tell me what I believe, and yell at me for saying things that I never said.
Voting blue no matter who has allowed the Democrats to become fat and lazy.
It doesn’t matter because the alternative was Trump. It wasn’t a normal election like Obama vs Romney.
But she did not promise to stop the genocide. In fact, she said that she would continue to support Israel, just like her predecessor.
Supporting Israel and stopping Israel genocide aren’t opposing positions. One candidate promising to stop genocide but not cut military aid is not the same as Trump promising to exterminate all Palestinians.
Who said that there was no difference between Harris and Trump? I certainly didn’t.
You said this:
“But we had two right candidates. Why would leftists vote for a right-wing candidate?”
You can’t have it both ways. Either there’s a difference or there isn’t.
It doesn’t matter because the alternative was Trump.
It does matter. Because they “opposition” to Trump is opposition in name only. They spent the past few decades building up the systems that Trump is using.
Supporting Israel and stopping Israel genocide aren’t opposing positions. One candidate promising to stop genocide but not cut military aid is not the same as Trump promising to exterminate all Palestinians.
But she never said that she was going to stop genocide. She wouldn’t even say the word Genocide, in relation to Palestinians. She gave every indication that she would continue arming the genocidal state, so why shouldn’t we think that she was going to continue her predecessor’s support for genocide? It’s a pretty easy message to send out: “I do not support genocide, nor the bombing of children. I will absolutely cut off funding for that.” But she chose not to, which made her position very clear.
You can’t have it both ways. Either there’s a difference or there isn’t.
Two right-wing candidates != Both candidates are the same. I can have it both ways, since they are both right-wing, but also they have differences.
. Because they “opposition” to Trump is opposition in name only.
LGBT rights. Minority rights. The environment. Banning DEI not only in the government but threatening private corporations to comply. Militarized ICE. Ending due process for alleged illegal immigrants.
I can have it both ways, since they are both right-wing, but also they have differences.
The differences separate right wing policies from left wing policies. You cannot have it both ways. Just because Harris didn’t want to abolish private property and execute the American Oligarchy doesn’t mean she wasn’t far farther left than Trump.
It is a lie to claim that Harris would have implemented the same right wing policies as Trump.
The Dems did a bit a years ago, but are already backing down on that.
The environment.
You mean the same Democrats that bragged about how much oil they were drilling, while imprisoning climate activists?
Banning DEI not only in the government but threatening private corporations to comply. Militarized ICE.
Oh, like how Democrats fight to get more “people of color” into jobs like ICE, or policing, or C-Suites, instead of addressing the actual underlying societal issues? The same Dems that said they would enact severe border-controls, and spent tons of money on a shitty border-wall, all while increasing funding to ICE?
Ending due process for alleged illegal immigrants.
Oh, you mean the thing that Democrats had been doing since Obama?
The differences separate right wing policies from left wing policies.
Correct. And the Dems pushing for a lot of those policies, while moving further to the right is why I call them a right-wing party.
Just because Harris didn’t want to abolish private property and execute the American Oligarchy doesn’t mean she wasn’t far farther left than Trump.
Correct. Which is why I never said as much. Your time would be much better spent on things I did say, rather than made up arguments that I never claimed.
It is a lie to claim that Harris would have implemented the same right wing policies as Trump.
Well, except for the policies that she explicitly said she was going to follow Trump on. There would have been differences, sure, but she was pretty clear that she was going to push for more right-wing policies.
If you are going to keep arguing about points that I never made, or yelling at me about things that I never said, I’m not going to continue this conversation. Come back when you have actual rebuttals to things that I actually said, instead of made-up arguments.
Many isn’t most. Of course I’m also factoring the electoral system which isn’t a pure nationwide majority. The majority of states voted for right wing policies. The entire midwest wouldn’t have all voted for Trump.
If that were true then Trump could not have won. Right wing states wanted Trump.
But Trump promised to continue the Palestinian genocide, increase the military, and cut taxes for the rich. She promised to stop the Palestinian genocide and give them self determination. Trump tweeted a picture of him on with Gaza turned into an Israeli beach resort.
If you can’t see a difference between Harris and Trump then you are in effect a Trump supporter. To say that means you believe that Harris would have been exactly the same president as Trump.
A lot of the states that voted for Trump also voted for left-wing policies, like raising the minimum wage. But they didn’t have any lefty politicians to vote for.
Yes it is. Voting blue no matter who has allowed the Democrats to become fat and lazy. Thus, they aren’t fighting for anything, and people don’t believe in them.
Of course he did. I never said otherwise. But she did not promise to stop the genocide. In fact, she said that she would continue to support Israel, just like her predecessor.
Who said that there was no difference between Harris and Trump? I certainly didn’t. I also never said that they would have been exactly the same. It’s always amazing to me how Liberals will tell me what I believe, and yell at me for saying things that I never said.
It doesn’t matter because the alternative was Trump. It wasn’t a normal election like Obama vs Romney.
Supporting Israel and stopping Israel genocide aren’t opposing positions. One candidate promising to stop genocide but not cut military aid is not the same as Trump promising to exterminate all Palestinians.
You said this: “But we had two right candidates. Why would leftists vote for a right-wing candidate?”
You can’t have it both ways. Either there’s a difference or there isn’t.
It does matter. Because they “opposition” to Trump is opposition in name only. They spent the past few decades building up the systems that Trump is using.
But she never said that she was going to stop genocide. She wouldn’t even say the word Genocide, in relation to Palestinians. She gave every indication that she would continue arming the genocidal state, so why shouldn’t we think that she was going to continue her predecessor’s support for genocide? It’s a pretty easy message to send out: “I do not support genocide, nor the bombing of children. I will absolutely cut off funding for that.” But she chose not to, which made her position very clear.
Two right-wing candidates != Both candidates are the same. I can have it both ways, since they are both right-wing, but also they have differences.
LGBT rights. Minority rights. The environment. Banning DEI not only in the government but threatening private corporations to comply. Militarized ICE. Ending due process for alleged illegal immigrants.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-05-16/joe-bidens-governing-as-a-progressive-thats-a-surprise-only-if-you-werent-paying-attention https://thedemocraticstrategist.org/2025/01/teixeira-how-bidens-left-turn-doomed-dem-hopes/ https://permanentcampaign.substack.com/p/a-former-biden-advisors-analysis
The differences separate right wing policies from left wing policies. You cannot have it both ways. Just because Harris didn’t want to abolish private property and execute the American Oligarchy doesn’t mean she wasn’t far farther left than Trump.
It is a lie to claim that Harris would have implemented the same right wing policies as Trump.
The Dems did a bit a years ago, but are already backing down on that.
You mean the same Democrats that bragged about how much oil they were drilling, while imprisoning climate activists?
Oh, like how Democrats fight to get more “people of color” into jobs like ICE, or policing, or C-Suites, instead of addressing the actual underlying societal issues? The same Dems that said they would enact severe border-controls, and spent tons of money on a shitty border-wall, all while increasing funding to ICE?
Oh, you mean the thing that Democrats had been doing since Obama?
Correct. And the Dems pushing for a lot of those policies, while moving further to the right is why I call them a right-wing party.
Correct. Which is why I never said as much. Your time would be much better spent on things I did say, rather than made up arguments that I never claimed.
Well, except for the policies that she explicitly said she was going to follow Trump on. There would have been differences, sure, but she was pretty clear that she was going to push for more right-wing policies.
Already backing down? Republicans control the entire government. This isn’t the EU where minority parties continue to have power.
Your mask is slipping. You are Repeating Right wing talking points.
Actual data: https://www.energyindepth.org/why-bidens-oil-drilling-permits-surge-is-not-what-it-seems/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Joe_Biden_administration
Gays used to not be able to marry. DEI used to not exist. Enviromental cleanup wasn’t an issue. Democrats have not been moving farther right.
If you are going to keep arguing about points that I never made, or yelling at me about things that I never said, I’m not going to continue this conversation. Come back when you have actual rebuttals to things that I actually said, instead of made-up arguments.
I quoted your claim that Democrats are backing down when they have no power.
I quoted your claim Biden was drilling more when actual data shows he was better than every other president.
I quoted your claim that Democrats are moving farther right when in every policy they have moved farther left over the past 50 years.
I quoted you and responded. You have no response and you are lying that I didn’t quote you.