I would say no.
I think, to qualify as “The Main Character” one would need fully half the available screen time. Everyone else has the other half to divide among themselves.
I think, to qualify as “The Main Character” one would need fully half the available screen time.
by this logic Sisko isn’t the main char for DS9, and he’s so main char he might as well be Mary Sue. He’s literally space Jesus, but gets like 1 min screentime per ep.
Unless he’s nuking planets, then he gets the majority of screentime comitting crimes of war.
Basically, if you’re going to be comitting black ops crimes against humanity or breaking treaties with black ops, fuck you, that’s not star trek. Doing something so horrible that you have to erase it from history is going to be a no from me for the “optimistic utopian sci fi”.
If you’re doing crimes against humanity on the reg, you might as well hand Bajor back to the cardassians.
I mean, like what you like. I think you can still have utopian fiction that explores when characters fall short of their utopian ideals, or the boundaries of a utopia, or the shortcomings of a particular form of utopianism. It helps us understand that it’s not magic, it doesn’t just happen, it’s what could be, if real people all worked very hard against the systems and people preventing it.
And I’m not a space lawyer but I think technically Sisko doesn’t do any war crimes in that episode, he’s just accessory to 2 normie murders.
And I’m not a space lawyer but I think technically Sisko doesn’t do any war crimes in that episode
“In half an hour that entire planet will kill you. I am banking on evacuation procedures being 100% reliable”
And what if something went wrong during the evacuation? How many billions of civillians would have died? He attacked a sentient population with weapons of mass destruction.
Ohhhh, ok, we are talking about entirely different episodes. I thought you were misquoting “Erase that entire personal log” from In The Pale Moonlight. Yeah, the one where he gasses a planet is not the best.
I would say no.
I think, to qualify as “The Main Character” one would need fully half the available screen time. Everyone else has the other half to divide among themselves.
by this logic Sisko isn’t the main char for DS9, and he’s so main char he might as well be Mary Sue. He’s literally space Jesus, but gets like 1 min screentime per ep.
Unless he’s nuking planets, then he gets the majority of screentime comitting crimes of war.
Agreed Sisko isn’t the main character. He might be the most important, but that’s different, and very debatable.
There doesn’t always need to be a Main Character. That’s what an ensemble cast is.
Erase log message.
I’m so glad I haven’t seen that ep, and hope I never do.
I did just see Michelle Yeo as Georgie Papadopoulos DIS 3:2 and yeech. Great actress, awful character for trek.
Loved the idea about “I want to just jump around multiverses” being a nod to everything everywhere all at once though.
Why? It’s widely considered the best episode of ds9.
I wrote a long ass post about why I hate a different episode that touches similar themes : https://lemmy.world/post/30261184?scrollToComments=true
Basically, if you’re going to be comitting black ops crimes against humanity or breaking treaties with black ops, fuck you, that’s not star trek. Doing something so horrible that you have to erase it from history is going to be a no from me for the “optimistic utopian sci fi”.
If you’re doing crimes against humanity on the reg, you might as well hand Bajor back to the cardassians.
I mean, like what you like. I think you can still have utopian fiction that explores when characters fall short of their utopian ideals, or the boundaries of a utopia, or the shortcomings of a particular form of utopianism. It helps us understand that it’s not magic, it doesn’t just happen, it’s what could be, if real people all worked very hard against the systems and people preventing it.
And I’m not a space lawyer but I think technically Sisko doesn’t do any war crimes in that episode, he’s just accessory to 2 normie murders.
“In half an hour that entire planet will kill you. I am banking on evacuation procedures being 100% reliable”
And what if something went wrong during the evacuation? How many billions of civillians would have died? He attacked a sentient population with weapons of mass destruction.
Ohhhh, ok, we are talking about entirely different episodes. I thought you were misquoting “Erase that entire personal log” from In The Pale Moonlight. Yeah, the one where he gasses a planet is not the best.
Sisko is definitely a darker character, morally dubious. But that’s what I love about him as a captain.
It’s more realistic. More honest. Picard equivocates and bitches and moans and then does it anyway as if that makes it perfectly alright.
Sisko does what he sees needs to be done, and recognizes it wasn’t “good” or maybe even acceptable.
Yes, because nothing screams “We’ve evolved beyond petty things” like “the captain is doing things that are unacceptable”
Screentime of all the characters doesn’t add up to 100% because there is not always 1 character on the screen.
That’s true. I did forget about that.
But still, for anyone to be called a Main Character, they should be part of at least half the screen time.