• HubertManne@piefed.social
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      Name the one who did better in their first term and if they would have done better in his situation. I was agog at the stuff he accomplished. No surprise billing was huge, he did not give up and continually pushed for dealing with education debt, the ombudsman bill pushed through that tackled our economy, infrastructure, and the environment was huge. the action on non competes.

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          I liked obama for look and feel (I mean whitehouse made meade from beehives pollinating the white house organic garden. it was orgasmic.) but man he wasted his first term. I have to give it to biden over obama on how much was done in the first term. Now it does have to be pointed out that biden accomplished what he did because as vp he already learned its useless to bother trying to work with the republicans which is what kept down obamas first term.

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            Obama got the ACA in his first term. That was an absolutely huge accomplishment. Much bigger than ANYTHING biden accomplished.

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              The aca is complicated and I am not trying to reduce it but the big effect for the general population is getting rid of pre existing conditions. Under biden we got no surprise billing which is a very significant improvement. Further the keeping medical debt off credit reports is also very significant. This is all outside the ombudsman bill that tackled fixing the trump1 economy, made a push toward lowering the us impact on the climate, and fixed our ailing infrastructure. Then you have what he did for education debt and I think this is a big one as he got a lot of criticism for not getting what he wanted to begin with but to me this really showed his quality. He was like the chumba wumba song getting his stuff knocked down and coming back with something else. He did not give up on it. Then the various agency thing like limiting bank and credit card fees along with getting rid of no competes. Now much has been torn back down by trump but that is not his fault.

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        Not fully prosecuting Trump and his team made everything he did frosting on a shit sandwich. It doesn’t matter. He failed to rise to the challenge of the moment thinking “Covid & economy” were the issue but the reason they were the issue was because of Trump.

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          > name the one who did better

          Yeah he sucked for sure, I agree with that, but I’m not seeing the answer to their question

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          and the reason you have to say fully is because he was prosecuting but unlike trump he did not fire people willy nilly who were not doing exactly what he wanted and worked within the system. I hate being stuck between two groups who want facism who both think their type is a benevolent righteous type.

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            Your feckless do nothing version of the government is why we’re in this position. People of privilege have the ability to delay and stall things they don’t want til they don’t happen. Stalling on court cases, dragging out development on clean energy, bureaucratic procedural nonsense. The governments ability to get anything done is a huge part of the reason people voted for Trump. He doesn’t get good things done but stuff does happen and change, proving that if the government wanted to they could. Wanting an effective government is not a desire for fascism. I hate moderates who promote this kind of tyranny. Sounds like you are more devoted to order than justice.

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              I already listed several of the good things done. We are increasingly going in the wrong direction but anything that is not democracy within a framework of law and rights is a non starter for me.

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                This quote applies when we’re dealing with the systemic wealth and justice gap we have in the US: "Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”

                Democracy is pretty great but it’s clear the laws and framework we have don’t support democracy in the idea of what is popular is what we’ll have.

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                  Most of what we have does support democracy but its the enforcement which is dictatorship. congress does not impeach trump the courts make decisions ignoring all precedence. Rulings like citizens united and laws like the patriot act are poison pills mucking up the well along with the important regulations being removed like taking out keystones from the structure.