• grue@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    “Innocent bystanders” aren’t a thing in this sort of case. Punishing the public so that they apply pressure to the government to get the pain to stop is the entire fucking point!

    It’s the same reason why effective protests are disruptive on purpose.

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      There’s a strong argument to be made FOR being political. He was like, ‘we stay out of politics’. Maybe that was your mistake, dude.

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          “we dont discuss politics”=my right wing politics are wrong and i wont admit it, because i would have self-reflect.

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        We stay out of politics! That way we enjoy all the benefits of our governments imperialism without having to answer for any of its transgressions.

        A majority of white people have not voted for a democratic candidate since the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964. This is the largest racial demographic in the country.

        Within this group, the majority of college educated do vote Democrat however most white people in the country are not college educated.

        It was 1964 when the Democrats finally flipped on Civil Rights (previously both parties were both pro segregation). Subsequently, republican leaders—most famously Richard Nixon and his campaign advisers—adopted a deliberate “Southern Strategy”: appeal to white Southern resentment over civil‑rights gains amongst other concerns. This demographic (largely not college educated) has not swayed in their support for Republicans since then.

        Remember that the southern confederacy fought on the philosophy that their property rights were being infringed during the American civil war. That property being human lives.

        Interestingly, communism played an important role in the progress of civil rights in America.

        Soviet propagandists seized on America’s segregation, lynching history, and denial of voting rights to portray the United States as hypocritical, arguing that a nation preaching liberty while oppressing minorities could not truly embody democracy. They broadcast films, pamphlets, and radio messages that highlighted police brutality, the Jim Crow South, and the disenfranchisement of Black voters, hoping to sway independent nations in Africa, Asia, and Latin America toward communism. American officials recognized that domestic racial injustice threatened their credibility abroad; if allies saw inequality, they might reject U.S. aid or align with Moscow. Consequently, U.S. presidents from Truman to Johnson felt pressure to pass civil‑rights legislation, both to fulfill moral imperatives and to deny the Soviet Union a strategic propaganda weapon.

        I bring up college educated simply to point out there is diversity within the group and it is not a monolith (as no group is).

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      I would argue there are millions of innocent bystanders, but that doesn’t mean it won’t produce positive, long-term results.