• They help individuals channel their frustration, isolation and desperation
  • They are a show of strength
  • They typically lead to more political involvement
  • They have already produced wins
  • They must remain nonviolent to be effective
  • They must be in small towns in the heartland, not just big coastal cities

Find one near you at nokings.org

This post uses a gift link, but some people do seem to be prompted to register. I can’t change SF Chronicle policy about that. They also have a history of sending lawyers after people who post archive.today links to their articles, so whatever you do, don’t plug the URL into that site.

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    You keep saying about what they shouldn’t do, yet you have not listed even one thing you’ve already done that is better than things you’re calling as performative. If you want to prove your point, just list these things and explain how they’re more effective than protesting.

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      These are not protests, they are parades. Protests dont have a set start and end time. Protests continue until things change.

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        Not saying they couldn’t do better, but they are for sure doing more than the guy not doing anything other than criticise the way of people protest on the internet.

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          People that are effective in protest are being ignored by liberals that think they know how to. Liberals are incapable of protesting when they dont even know what they are protesting.

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            Who are these people? Got any links?

            If they do exist, I think you’ll find it more effective to spread the word about them instead of trying to pull down other people. You won’t find acceptance amongst the general public if all they see you do is pull down others. Be more effective in your own messaging.

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                Why are you changing the subject? You said there were more effective protesters that are not being covered. Can you link them for me?

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                  I also said liberals have no idea what they are protesting. Unless there’s an actual end game in mind it’s performative.

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      That’s blatantly false, I already mentioned the people who directly intervene with ICE raids - which en masse can be relatively effective - rather than throwing a self-aggrandizing parade for the DNC (which ran in the last general election on Trump being weaker than them on immigration).

      In Italy and Spain and other countries you can even see other liberals striking and blocking shipments to achieve protest actions. You are particularly cowardly and inactive, even for liberals.

      Maybe it’s the better European cuisine? /s

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        Those are people, not you. What did you do that gives you the right to say what other people do are useless? What did YOU do that was more effective.

        Doesn’t matter how effective other’s actions are, because they are in a far better position than people who do nothing but criticises other people’s actions.

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          This is exactly the kind of aggrievement that suffering-as-accomplishment generates. Going out and flaggelating yourself won’t stop the raids. It’s wasting people’s energy on non-solutions, that’s a negative. It’s tiring inaction.

          These protests are primarily against the prospect of violent resistance to Trump. Go look at their slogans and quit living in fantasy land.

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            Again, what have YOU done?

            I never defended these protests. I only told you how to make your point actually stick, which is by showing what you did personally that was more effective than what they did. It’s you who failed such a simple task and made yourself look like a completely useless keyboard warrior.

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              What you are attempting to browbeat me with is called standpoint epistemology. This position isn’t premised on the identity of the speaker, however. That would be more like if I was arguing that I had accomplished a particular goal. Here I have pointed out that the very goal of these protests is to condemn violent resistance against a child-raping junta.

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                It does when you’re acting like you know better than the protesters, yet have done nothing that is actually better. Actually, you have not even proven that you’ve done anything even on par with them.

                Everyone know keyboard warriors have a point, yet everyone also know they are keyboard warrior because they lack the courage to do what they expect others to do. In that sense, you are just a hypocrite unless you prove yourself to not be one. Your use of specific terms to explain things don’t change the fact that nobody listens to people who tell others to do things they are not willing to do themselves. Talk is cheap, even if it’s based on the truth.

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                  No it doesn’t. Logic doesn’t change based on the speaker. Your username is a pedophile who supports Israel (and tedious wordcount-padder), and now that I have noticed it you are blocked for being too dense, just like his tasteless books.

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        Wait. So you are doing nothing yourself and in fact, aren’t even in the country of the people you are derriding for not doing enough?

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          Here in Saint Petersburg we do much to make the Orange Chimpanzee suffer. Speak not of this ingratitude to me.