Public backlash comes and goes. But the oligarchy endures. Better for American liberals to stay friendly with Israel until they can sweep this genocide under the rug and refocus angry American voters on China or Iran or Mexico again.
I understand your cynicism, but this is just Not Going To Happen. The US electorate is still pissed about the Iraq War and if anything the Palestinian Genocide has cemented in the minds of people here that they cannot trust politicians who will not openly speak about the Palestinian Genocide as a Genocide. No, this is not an issue people in the US are going to budge on or soften on, rather it is the opposite, the Palestinian Genocide has become a litmus test for whether a candidate serves their constituents or whether a candidate is an unserious corporate shill.
Just to elaborate, even Republicans are pissed about the Iraq War. They pretend it was all the Democrats fault for voting for it in Congress (which they did), or that the Tea Party sweapt away all the RINOs who were responsible (which it did not). In any case, it’s hard to find anyone in 2025 who still thinks Iraq 2003 was a good idea.
Which is also kinda funny considering the outcome in Iraq has been objectively better than Afghanistan. You could argue that America ultimately accomplished its strategic goals in Iraq but not Afghanistan.
The US electorate is still pissed about the Iraq War
The joke is that you had Dems defending the war all through the '00s and even the '10s. It got so bad that Republicans were able to outflank them by mouthing even the most menial anti-war rhetoric.
if anything the Palestinian Genocide has cemented in the minds of people here that they cannot trust politicians who will not openly speak about the Palestinian Genocide as a Genocide
You have a cohort of Americans who are genuinely horrified at our participation in a genocide. But they’ve been systematically marginalized, stripped of their political autonomy, and silenced in public and private media. Meanwhile, you have a very wealthy, very influential, and very fascist corporate oligarchs with both a material interest (harvesting natural resources through slave labor) and an ideological interest (rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem because it’ll bring about a magical utopia) in waging these wars.
They’re buying up major media outlets, orchestrating police raids on protest groups, and monopolizing every elected office through a buyout of the party system.
No, this is not an issue people in the US are going to budge on or soften on
We spent 23 years in Afghanistan. And the primary reason we withdrew wasn’t domestic opposition to the occupation. It was our soured relationship with Pakistan, which provided the primary inroad to resupply our main base in Kabul. At the same time, we were escalating conflicts in Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Yemen, which had stretched our - extensive but not unlimited - resources to their limit.
And since we left, the US media has bombarded the public with “The Taliban is eating babies!” scare stories in an effort to poison the notion of a future retreat from a primarily Muslim country. US voters don’t need to budge. Nobody currently in contention for office appears interested in ratcheting back the national security state. Nobody is talking about “Defund ICE” anymore, much less defunding the police. The anti-war marches of the '00s/'10s are fully extinguished. Even the Gaza Genocide protests are just shooting galleries for Canary Mission and other reactionary groups, looking to get people arrested, fired, or deported.
Palestine is just one more horror story in a multi-generational bloodbath. Americans continue to be the sheep arguing over which wolf to invite to dinner.
I understand your cynicism, but this is just Not Going To Happen. The US electorate is still pissed about the Iraq War and if anything the Palestinian Genocide has cemented in the minds of people here that they cannot trust politicians who will not openly speak about the Palestinian Genocide as a Genocide. No, this is not an issue people in the US are going to budge on or soften on, rather it is the opposite, the Palestinian Genocide has become a litmus test for whether a candidate serves their constituents or whether a candidate is an unserious corporate shill.
Just to elaborate, even Republicans are pissed about the Iraq War. They pretend it was all the Democrats fault for voting for it in Congress (which they did), or that the Tea Party sweapt away all the RINOs who were responsible (which it did not). In any case, it’s hard to find anyone in 2025 who still thinks Iraq 2003 was a good idea.
Which is also kinda funny considering the outcome in Iraq has been objectively better than Afghanistan. You could argue that America ultimately accomplished its strategic goals in Iraq but not Afghanistan.
The joke is that you had Dems defending the war all through the '00s and even the '10s. It got so bad that Republicans were able to outflank them by mouthing even the most menial anti-war rhetoric.
You have a cohort of Americans who are genuinely horrified at our participation in a genocide. But they’ve been systematically marginalized, stripped of their political autonomy, and silenced in public and private media. Meanwhile, you have a very wealthy, very influential, and very fascist corporate oligarchs with both a material interest (harvesting natural resources through slave labor) and an ideological interest (rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem because it’ll bring about a magical utopia) in waging these wars.
They’re buying up major media outlets, orchestrating police raids on protest groups, and monopolizing every elected office through a buyout of the party system.
We spent 23 years in Afghanistan. And the primary reason we withdrew wasn’t domestic opposition to the occupation. It was our soured relationship with Pakistan, which provided the primary inroad to resupply our main base in Kabul. At the same time, we were escalating conflicts in Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Yemen, which had stretched our - extensive but not unlimited - resources to their limit.
And since we left, the US media has bombarded the public with “The Taliban is eating babies!” scare stories in an effort to poison the notion of a future retreat from a primarily Muslim country. US voters don’t need to budge. Nobody currently in contention for office appears interested in ratcheting back the national security state. Nobody is talking about “Defund ICE” anymore, much less defunding the police. The anti-war marches of the '00s/'10s are fully extinguished. Even the Gaza Genocide protests are just shooting galleries for Canary Mission and other reactionary groups, looking to get people arrested, fired, or deported.
Palestine is just one more horror story in a multi-generational bloodbath. Americans continue to be the sheep arguing over which wolf to invite to dinner.