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Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 18 hours ago

We gotta be more encouraging

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We gotta be more encouraging

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Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 18 hours ago
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    Easy. First you survey the existing literature for your theory. Chances are, somebody already came up with it, or, more likely, debunked it. If that’s not the case, you write up a paper, presenting your theory together with its supporting evidence and submit it through the usual channels. I know that sounds pretty discouraging, but the chance of some rando contributing something meaningful are pretty close to zero

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      submit it through the usual channels.

      Here is the problem. These channels are heavily gatekeeped (gatekept?). Non standard theories are pushed to fringe publications and not read.

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      Nothing kills my motivation more than discovering something new in math and then finding out some dead guy beat me to the punch by several centuries lol

      Then again sometimes it’s worse when I expect there to be literature on a topic and then discovering there isn’t even a wiki page for it.

      Hell, most recently it was bi-intuitionistic logic. Originally studied in the 40s by one German guy who took bad notes. Main body of work done by a single math grad in the 70s (Rauszer) culminating in her PhD. Turns out there were errors discovered in her proofs and it was proven inconsistent in 2001. Only for two relatively young mathematicians to clear up that there are two separate versions of bi-intuitionistic logic which are consistent. This discovery and proof are found a paper that was published only this fucking year.

      I asked a simple question about dealing with uncertainty in a logical system and instead of finding a well studied foundation of knowledge I was yeeted to the bleeding edge of mathematics.

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        Oh I remember you! You’re the guy who claimed to be an engineer working with “ocular algorithms” when it turned out you were an undergrad who read a Wikipedia article about cuttlefish.

        Now you’re discovering “new things” in math because you were thrust to the bleeding edge of mathematics. Incredible stuff. Completely 100% real stuff.

        Please do future you a favor and stop presenting yourself as some intellectual giant. It’s not only cringe, but harmful to your actual academic growth. Some of the things you write are identifiable, what would happen if a professor for an undergrad lab you work at saw the way you write?

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      Pretty close to zero multiplied by billions of people yields results sometimes.

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/this-17-year-old-scientist-is-making-an-acetaminophen-alternative-that-is-less-damaging-to-the-liver-180986331/

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/two-high-schoolers-found-an-impossible-proof-for-a-2000-year-old-math-rule-then-they-discovered-nine-more-180985357/

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-teen-mathematician-hannah-cairo-disproved-a-major-conjecture-in-harmonic/

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        These people went through the process I described above. I’m not saying you need a degree to do scientific work. I’m saying you need to do scientific work to achieve scientifically relevant results.

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        These aren’t coming out of nowhere however. They are obviously being exposed to new material through their education and then extrapolating into some new tangent. These aren’t epiphanies that just happen later in life unless you are working to understand these concepts. Not saying it can’t be done, it just hasn’t been done yet, and every generation builds upon the foundation of what came before it.

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        And this would be larger with better education.

        Because it’s not always about the “potential of the student” if there’s no support or validation.

        Finland didn’t have a gifted program, you’re not supposed to be better at anything than others. Except in sports, where it’s the whole thing.

        There were special programs for slow kids. But none for fast ones.

        First grade teacher put me in an empty classroom to read by myself when everyone else was just learning what sounds different letters make.

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      They have some chance if they wrote code to find a counterexample to some obscure math conjecture

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      Yes but what if they feel REALLY clever??? U expect me 2 go thru all dat work? Ffs smh rn ngl u cap I swear.

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        Someone give them the Nobel price already!

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          Ongod ending wars is a habit of mine fr fr

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          He’s got my vote.

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      I would love to know how many peer-reviewed papers have been published from independent authors with no degree or university affiliation, if any.

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        Depends if you count undergrad. One that comes to mind is the RWKV paper.

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        It definitely happens.

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        Does this guy count? He’s been peer-reviewed a bunch I reckon.

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