• Shirasho@lemmings.world
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    6 days ago

    Arguments are for children and those with the mental maturity of a schoolyard bully.

    Conversations are where the mature people duke it out, and the point of a conversation is not to win but to see each other on equal ground, understand the position of the other party, and come to a conclusion that benefits both parties.

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        Semantics are for children. Straight up contradiction is where mature people say “No it isn’t” to each other to really practice being annoying.

        • tal@lemmy.today
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          Semantics are for children.

          https://academic.oup.com/jos?login=false

          Journal of Semantics covers all areas in the study of meaning, with a focus on formal and experimental methods. It welcomes submissions on semantics, pragmatics, the syntax/semantics interface, cross-linguistic semantics, experimental studies of meaning, and semantically informed philosophy of language.

          “When he was eating his juice and crackers at lunchtime, Jonathan enjoyed a little light reading.”

      • Shirasho@lemmings.world
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        I have no idea how you and your other up voters read what I wrote and thought “semantics”.

        Arguments are “I am right, you are wrong.”

        Conversations are “I feel I am right, and you feel you are right. Let’s try to understand each other and figure out where the disconnect is and how we can meet on common ground to come to an outcome we are both happy with.”

        There are nuances. Arguments have an undertone of superiority. Conversations have an undertone of trying to understand the other person’s perspective and realizing that if somebody has the same perspective as you then you wouldn’t be in the situation to begin with.

        Now, I want to make it perfectly clear that there are some things where there is no room for conversation - things where facts are being disputed.

        This post is an argument since I am too lazy to engage in conversation.

    • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I know you’re trolling but this has been a real point of disagreement between me and my wife. I was raised to think that arguing means making arguments to convince someone, irregardless of the volume of those arguments. My wife was raised to think that arguing means yelling, usually about stuff that should have been hammered out months ago.

      Every once in a while I’ll accidentally refer to a heated conversation I had with my wife as “remember when we had that argument about ______” and my wife will look at me with this confused and hurt expression as if I had accused her of spousal abuse, because when she hears the word “argument” she thinks of how her parents would argue. Other times when we visit my parents my mom or dad will make a passing comment about how we “argue so much” or “are always going at it” since we’re always negotiating and debating and discussing, and then I’ll have to quickly reassure my wife that I love her and she’s a good person and that my parents also love her and think she’s a good person and remind her that my parents meant “debating or negotiating” since they don’t consider screaming matches to be arguing.

      It’s sometimes difficult to remember that many people think arguing means “screaming at each other until one person retreats” because thats what so many parents do. Not saying my parents are saints ofc, but when they had screaming arguments they would retreat, process the arguments, and come back to say “I’m sorry I screamed at you, and also you were right about X and Y, but let’s talk about Z more etc” which is what I thought a normal parent argument was.