Just did a cursory search on what goth culture is, what it stands for, and so far only found explanations that are incredibly vague/none-conclusive, or like Wikipedia focus entirely on metrics, but not on what it means.
So… Uh… Good luck to anyone else trying to learn what “goth” actually is outside of the established tropes or those cool guys that sacked Rome.
The simplist explanation is it’s just a music subculture, but in reality it’s a bit more than that and goth fashion has become it’s own thing. But that fashion isn’t merely someone wearing a black top and dark makeup. It’s more of a sort of Victorian style usually with like corsets and stuff
More like this than just simply black clothes and makeup.
Hmmm. Sounds kinda… like a mix of no true Scotsman and hipster. What something started as doesn’t always get to define how it always is, or we could make the same applications to a number of other things and call them “not real x.”
Some people argue any Pizza in America isn’t real pizza because it’s not made in the original style. You could even argue all Japanese sushi isn’t real sushi because the origin of sushi was a method for preserving fish by packing it with salted rice for fermentation. That’s not the standard for sushi today, but sushi today is still sushi.
Likewise, perhaps you could argue contemporary goth vs original goth or classic goth or something, but it’s all still goth, since it grew out of goth and just adjusted. Don’t enforce your preference on people enjoying the aesthetic the way they like to.
That’s a fair argument, but you do have to balance it with words actually having meaning. Like if people started saying Barbie hot pink aesthetic is “goth” then the word just wouldn’t be useful to use.
And were not talking about regional variation of sushi or pizza were talking about anytime a person wearing black being called goth, so it would be like any dish with rice in it being called sushi or anything with mozzarella and tomato in it a pizza.
Goth is a music-based subculture that emerged out of nightclubs such as the F Club and Batcave in the United Kingdom during the early 1980s, as well as gothic rock, a genre that evolved from British post-punk. The goth subculture is centered around fashion, music festivals, clubs, and organized meetings
The article goes on to describe its many influences, variations, and characteristics. If you want more details, !gothindustrial@lemmy.world is the most active of the relevant local communities.
Just did a cursory search on what goth culture is, what it stands for, and so far only found explanations that are incredibly vague/none-conclusive, or like Wikipedia focus entirely on metrics, but not on what it means.
So… Uh… Good luck to anyone else trying to learn what “goth” actually is outside of the established tropes or those cool guys that sacked Rome.
The simplist explanation is it’s just a music subculture, but in reality it’s a bit more than that and goth fashion has become it’s own thing. But that fashion isn’t merely someone wearing a black top and dark makeup. It’s more of a sort of Victorian style usually with like corsets and stuff
More like this than just simply black clothes and makeup.
That last one is fun. Look at it for long enough and you’ll realise it’s actually a colour photo.
Hmmm. Sounds kinda… like a mix of no true Scotsman and hipster. What something started as doesn’t always get to define how it always is, or we could make the same applications to a number of other things and call them “not real x.”
Some people argue any Pizza in America isn’t real pizza because it’s not made in the original style. You could even argue all Japanese sushi isn’t real sushi because the origin of sushi was a method for preserving fish by packing it with salted rice for fermentation. That’s not the standard for sushi today, but sushi today is still sushi.
Likewise, perhaps you could argue contemporary goth vs original goth or classic goth or something, but it’s all still goth, since it grew out of goth and just adjusted. Don’t enforce your preference on people enjoying the aesthetic the way they like to.
That’s a fair argument, but you do have to balance it with words actually having meaning. Like if people started saying Barbie hot pink aesthetic is “goth” then the word just wouldn’t be useful to use.
And were not talking about regional variation of sushi or pizza were talking about anytime a person wearing black being called goth, so it would be like any dish with rice in it being called sushi or anything with mozzarella and tomato in it a pizza.
Goths are just like us really, except they listen to cradle of filth
Not In Mitra Medusa Inri?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subculture
The article goes on to describe its many influences, variations, and characteristics. If you want more details, !gothindustrial@lemmy.world is the most active of the relevant local communities.
and here I thought it was a type of architecture with gargoyles and shit.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_architecture