nearly 24% of all households are classified as living paycheck to paycheck this year…That share is slightly higher than last year…

  • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    I am surprised and would have expected that number to be higher.

    Oh, that isn’t the definition I think most people use for the term “paycheck-to-paycheck”.

    I think you answered your own question because you’re using a different definition than Bank of America. I have always been a saver, as a kid is squirrel money away in different places, and when I became an adult I kind of kept the same mentality, even when I considered myself as living paycheck to paycheck, I was still putting money aside in different places (401k, HSA, savings, Fidelity, etc). It wasn’t a lot going to any place, but it was consistent at around 10% in total. The way I saw it was that there are plenty of people surviving while earning 10% less than I do, so I just had to make sure I never missed the money. So my definition of living paycheck to paycheck is likely different from yours, if you don’t allow for saving.

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      2 days ago

      So my definition of living paycheck to paycheck is likely different from yours, if you don’t allow for saving.

      If you never exhausted your supply of money (as you say you not only had savings, and were even adding to it with unspent money from each paycheck), I’m confused what exactly is “paycheck to paycheck” about your situation then? Is it simply that you receive a paycheck and then at the next pay interval you receive another paycheck? What is your definition?

      • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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        1 day ago

        But I would exhaust the money from my paycheck that was in my checking account, and I had many times where I would also empty my savings when I’d get hit with an unexpected expense.

        My point was that even though I was saving money, it wasn’t ever money that I ever saw in my bank account. My 401k was taken from my paycheck and I couldn’t even think about touching that with a lot of effort and expense. I had my direct deposit setup to send most of my check to my checking account, but I always had a small amount going to my savings at a different credit union. My toughest years I was making around $25k a year and I had 5% of my income going to my 401k and 5% going to my savings. My rent, car payment and car insurance would be the first things I paid each month and usually that meant my first 2 weeks of the month were sparse and if I had stopped putting aside that 10% it would have been a little help, but not enough to get through to my next check. So yes, I had access to money, but I was still living paycheck to paycheck because I had strict rules on when I could access that money - and I tried to pay back to my savings anything I took out, when possible.

        Would you consider someone adding to their 401k each check to not be living paycheck to paycheck?

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          Would you consider someone adding to their 401k each check to not be living paycheck to paycheck?

          No.

          So yes, I had access to money, but I was still living paycheck to paycheck because I had strict rules on when I could access that money - and I tried to pay back to my savings anything I took out, when possible.

          Here is the key difference. You are not spending your additional funds because of choices you’ve made to save. Folks living paycheck to paycheck don’t have additional funds to save. All of the paycheck is spent inside of that pay period. At any time you could have chosen to spend your saved money, but you chose not to. What you’re doing what most would call “budgeting” and your choice to not spend your savings are “sticking to your budget”. If you had a dire emergency such as being injured or ill for long enough to miss a paycheck would you have tapped your savings to stay afloat and pay your expenses even though it would have broken your budget? I think most would say “yes”. I know I would. This is the difference. Those living paycheck to paycheck aren’t able to put aside money to create an ever growing savings, as you did.

          I very much commend you on your savings and budgeting! You’re on great financial footing with your circumstances and your choices. Nicely done!

          • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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            19 hours ago

            During the time I was getting paid around $25k a year I was bringing home around $700 a paycheck (every 2 weeks). Me putting aside 10% between my 401k and my savings meant that I had around $30 every 2 weeks going into savings. I often ran out of available money several days before my next check, and having an additional $30 would have been nice, but would have likely only given me another few days.

            And yes, when I had unexpected bills, and later when I lost my job, I did dip into my savings because that’s why I had it, but that 10% want going to be the difference between me living paycheck to paycheck, or not. In fact, the transition to not living that way was a very gradual process.

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              18 hours ago

              And yes, when I had unexpected bills, and later when I lost my job, I did dip into my savings because that’s why I had it, but that 10% want going to be the difference between me living paycheck to paycheck, or not.

              I’m not sure I understand your logic. If you dipped into your savings, then you clearly thought it was needed in those extreme times and it made a material difference. If it wouldn’t have made a difference, then why did you even dip into your savings?

              • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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                8 hours ago

                I didn’t say that the savings didn’t make a difference, I said that having an additional small amount of money available to be each part period wouldn’t have kept me from living paycheck to paycheck. Of course having the savings made a difference when something major happened, that was the whole point.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Of course having the savings made a difference when something major happened, that was the whole point.

                  And that is the monumental difference between what you are describing I would just call “sticking to a budget” vs living paycheck to paycheck. Those living paycheck to paycheck don’t have that option to pull from savings because they have no savings. You did. What you were doing, by any definition I’ve run across up until yours, wasn’t living paycheck to paycheck.

                  If you want to keep saying you’re living paycheck to paycheck, certainly you can. Its a free country, but you’re going to confuse people you talk to or misrepresent to them your situation. It may also be doing a disservice to those that are living paycheck to paycheck.

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      1 day ago

      If you had money, you weren’t living paycheck to paycheck.

      An inability to save money is caused by living paycheck to paycheck because you have no excess money.

      This is like walking on your knees and telling everyone you don’t have feet. No, dude. You made a decision to save. People living paycheck to paycheck don’t have a choice.