One federal employee said in a court filing that they “cannot in good conscience pretend to agree with President Trump’s policies.”

Government employees asked a federal judge Wednesday to block the Trump administration from encouraging job applicants to demonstrate their loyalty to the president’s agenda.

In a lawsuit filed earlier this month, a group of federal labor unions argues that the White House’s “merit hiring plan” violates applicants’ First Amendment rights. The plan, put forth by the Office of Personnel Management, includes the following short essay question:

“How would you help advance the President’s Executive Orders and policy priorities in this role? Identify one or two relevant Executive Orders or policy initiatives that are significant to you, and explain how you would help implement them if hired.”

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    Lying has always been an integral part of USAJOBS…

    Idiots are overconfident and rate themselves 5/5 for everything, subject matter experts of everything under the sun who know everything…

    Rational people know they have limitations and that not everyone knows everything.

    But due to how the process works, if you don’t over-exagaratte your abilities, you’ll never get to an interview. Because your numbers aren’t as good as over confident idiots.

    I can guarantee no actual fed is facing a crisis of ethics on if they can bs on an application

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      Yep I always sprinkled in like one 3 and one 4 just to make it look slightly more realistic. Still got forwarded to jobs so

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        It’s a shit show.

        Everytime we have higher openings my best people barely squeak thru HR then I got to write a freaking dissertation to explain why I don’t just want the person who lied the most on self eval and had a 20 page shotgun resume.

        The limiting resumes to two pages is gonna help, but the promotion system for civies makes the military look like they have their shit together.

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          I always hated having to write a massive resume, but if you didn’t HR would pass you up. Always felt bad for these hiring managers

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            They’re a two page limit now, so you basically have to do a bespoke resume for every posting

            Which is a hassle, but one of the few changes that’s actually positive

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        You might not be American, which would explain not knowing that Americans can sue over literally anything.

        I can say that you implying I was a confident idiot caused me emotional stress, and sue the shit out of you. I’d probably lose, but I could still sue you over it. Even though I really don’t give a fuck if a random social media account didn’t understand my comment and lashed out with an insult.

        Does that make sense now?

        They can be 100% fine bullshitting normally on an application, but due to recent events they want to sue instead.

        It doesn’t mean that they’re not comfortable bullshitting.

        A cartoon might help you understand it more if my comment didn’t:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHhG9DbHbW0

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            no, you could not. i am not an american and the court in my jurisdiction would laugh you out all the way back to your home.

            What?

            You think I have to go to your country and sue you there? Collection would have some hoops, but obviously Americans can sue non-Americans. But your courts really wouldn’t be involved at all. Unless to cooperate with America.

            I don’t understand why you’re making assumptions and trying to start an argument, when you self admittedly aren’t American and completely unaware of how our legal process works.

            If you don’t know about this, why don’t you want to ask questions and learn?

            https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/

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              Yeah, you can sue anyone and maybe even win in U.S. courts. But collecting wouldn’t just have some hoops for a stupid lawsuit not recognized to have any merit by the country of the defendant - it would be entirely impossible.

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                But collecting wouldn’t just have some hoops for a stupid lawsuit not recognized to have any merit by the country of the defendant - it would be entirely impossible.

                That would be nice. Wouldn’t it?

                In a fair system you’d be 100% correct, and I’d be happy.

                But that’s not the world we live in.

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                  It’s not a matter of being fair. You can’t forcefully extract funds from an entity outside of your jurisdiction. Countries that have agreements on inter federal law enforcement will never persecute someone in their own borders for another country if the charges or suit would have no merit in their country.

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                    You can’t forcefully extract funds from an entity outside of your jurisdiction.

                    Who said anything about that?

                    It’s a civil judgement and I legitimately can’t tell if you typo’d prosecute or think this is persecution.

                    But if it was a substantial judgement you may see stuff like sanctions that could happen even without the other countries cooperation

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              You think I have to go to your country and sue you there? Collection would have some hoops, but obviously Americans can sue non-Americans. But your courts really wouldn’t be involved at all. Unless to cooperate with America.

              i see your law knowledge also comes from comics 😂

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                https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/

                I can try to find something easier to read, but I didn’t find any actual comics.

                What are you having difficulty with in that link?

                The most relevant bit is this:

                The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in International Shoe Co. v. Washington established the “minimum contacts” standard, guiding jurisdiction over foreign defendants.

                Venue is influenced by factors such as the location of the parties, the place where the cause of action arose, and contractual agreements specifying a forum. Many international contracts include forum selection clauses, designating a specific jurisdiction for resolving disputes. These clauses are generally upheld by courts unless deemed unreasonable or unjust. The Hague Convention on Choice of Court Agreements provides a framework for recognizing and enforcing such clauses among member states.

                You’re on a US based social media website, it would not be difficult at all to have a lawsuit based on an exchange here heard in American courts.

                You could ignore it, but then you’d almost certainly lose and have to fight collections.

                But if I’m not doing a good enough job explaining, you’re probably better off reading the full article

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                  You’re on a US based social media website

                  maybe they did not tell you that, but there is whole rest of the world behind us borders and not everything is “us based”.

                  i am not us citizen on a website that is not hosted on us soil, doing something that is absolutely not illegal in my jurisdiction.

                  the only international cooperation you would get from justice system in my country would be showing you the middle finger, because “american snowflake did not like something they read on the internet” is not a crime here. go back to comics, or cry to mods, whichever you prefer.

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                    maybe they did not tell you that, but there is whole rest of the world behind us borders and not everything is “us based”.

                    Correct…

                    on a website that is not hosted on us soil

                    But you’re on a lemmy.world community right now. And it’s US based, and hosted on US soil, even tho your local instance may not be. But this community is, and this is where your comments are going and where they’re being posted.

                    because “american snowflake did not like something they read on the internet” is not a crime here.

                    Doesn’t matter if it’s a crime there.

                    Or even if it’s a crime in America.

                    Because a civili lawsuit isn’t criminal…

                    That link didn’t go into the difference of civil lawsuits and criminal prosecution in America, I could find one if you’re not able on your own tho

                    go back to comics, or cry to mods, whichever you prefer.

                    I’m happy to try and help you understand, if you don’t want help understanding, it’s as easy as not replying again. Although I’m afraid continued incivil comments will likely keep resulting in your comments being deleted.