TL;DR: Mozilla is killing localization on Support Mozilla, overwriting articles written by humans with machine generated translations. Although Mozilla knows that their AI doesn’t localize or adhere to style guides, Mozilla is going live with it anyway. I thank locale leaders and localizers for their tireless efforts. Locale leaders seem to be obviated by AI, and Mozilla has nothing to say about it.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I still use Firefox every day, but I don’t trust the corporate overlords to do what’s right long term. They seem to be getting greedy instead of listening to the user base. They’ve started including AI bullshit features for the sake of it, like grouping tabs by content that nobody asked for and that barely works for me. I’m not anti-Mozilla, but I sure am weary of it and would welcome an alternative.

    I haven’t come across any open source comments, but those seem pretty clueless.

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      not for the sake of “it”, for the sake of making money. they are competing with the most massive corporations with infinite money.

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      1 day ago

      I don’t trust the corporate overlords to do what’s right long term.

      You don’t have to, if Mozilla really screwed the pooch with Firefox it would be forked. Debian used to do it with IceWeasel over a petty thing like the copyright of the Firefox logo, which 100% has always been justified, and is necessary to distinguish between an official Firefox and a fork.

      The AI bullshit features as you call them are completely non invasive, I always use the newest Firefox, and I never even noticed those features.

      Stop the bullshitting and complaining over things are completely irrelevant. and will never ever have any negative influence on anything you do with Firefox.
      I’m so sick of this lame community doing this over and over and over again, and it always turns out to be nothing.

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        The AI bullshit features as you call them are completely non invasive,

        And yet I had to turn them off in about:config, not even in the regular settings. Why are the settings hidden? Why can’t I turn them on if I want them? Why isn’t opt-in and transparency their standard approach with such a controversial feature? Those are some serious dark patterns for a company advertising itself as user-friendly, that they had to backtrack on when they saw the community uproar.

        Now it’s happening again, but on the developer side.

        Stop the bullshitting and complaining over things are completely irrelevant

        Irrelevant? I can’t afford AI threads running in the background, hogging my memory and processing power away from my productivity apps for whatever bullshit they decide to add that barely relates to what I use a browser for. I don’t live in a “first-world country” with standard hardware. That’s the whole reason I use Firefox, for the respect for their users that I have grown accustomed to, which they now seem to want to ignore. It’s a huge violation of trust that you’re downplaying when they want to add things first and apologize later.

        The bottom line is that their approach has shifted recently, and I have every right to criticize them for it when they say one thing and do another.

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          standard approach with such a controversial feature

          The “controversial” features:

          1. Alt-text generation: Creates descriptions for images, which is particularly useful for making PDFs more accessible to screen readers.
          2. On-device translation: Translates web pages without sending your content to external servers, protecting your privacy.
          3. Smart tab groups: Analyzes open tabs to suggest names and group similar ones together to help with organization.
          4. Link previews: Generates key points from articles to give you a quick summary.

          These are all very modest in requirements even on an old phone. And the use is actually zero unless you use the function.
          AFAIK all further AI functionalities are all optional.

          Number one is particularly useful for blind people, a group that absolutely needs screen readers to work well.

          So again stop the bullshitting, just because you are bullshitting yourself too doesn’t make it better.
          Either that or mention just one single specific function you “needed” to disable and why.
          IMO your misunderstood whining is annoying.

          Personally I use the translation function a lot, it is both very handy and very good, and I have used it for both Russian and Ukrainian and Chinese, and it works surprisingly well.
          But maybe you speak every language on the planet, or find it more convenient to use an online translator, leaving unnecessary extra digital trails and requiring extra bandwidth?
          How you don’t find that feature useful is beyond me???

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            8 hours ago

            I rarely ever use translation features. I never visit sites which are in a language I don’t understand. 🤷‍♂️ So this would be nice if it were opt in, I guess.

            But I definitely have the processing power to run it. Buuut of course not everyone does.

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              8 hours ago

              this would be nice if it were opt in, I guess.

              It doesn’t do shit if you don’t use it, why would you want opt in for that?
              The same goes for the other features.

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                8 hours ago

                Because on every machine where I open Firefox for the first time, I have to tell it not to translate my language. It’s a small dance I have to do every so often. Bit annoying, innit.

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                  8 hours ago

                  It doesn’t translate anything automatically, you have to choose translation manually for a site in a foreign language. It ALWAYS shows the original first.
                  So that’s complete and utter made up bullshit.

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                    I know that, but I don’t even want the suggestion, is what I mean. You know?

                    Listen man, take it easy alright? I understand your stance, relax. Not trying to argue with your or get aggressive here. 🤝 We’re cool. I’m on your side, I love Firefox.