It’s weird, I hopped off ML due to how much hate other users were giving me, but I never actually experienced anything from the ML users themselves. I did stay off the politics subs, so that’s maybe why, but it was genuinely quite a chill instance for me.
Anyway I’m on UK now, and people seem to treat me nicer
It’s similar in Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. Very chill usually, it’s the hatred they get from liberal-aligned instances that sparks all of the drama.
I agree. Whenever there’s a post about .ml users it comes from .world.
I understand if there’s political differences, but they incessantly try to vilify the whole instance.
Early on I poked around ml, and it wasn’t so much hate but more like some really… interesting views on how to organize politically
It boiled down to “unite the workers of the world and seize the means of production”, but like… That was it. No answer to how to do that, or what to do next
The most annoying part was honestly just how hard some of them simp for China and Russia, sometimes even North Korea
Marxists absolutely have advice on how to organize, the problem is that it’s very regional. Some parties are good, others are horrid, but the basics are to find a good organization local to you and join it. Protesting, reading theory, doing direct action and mutual aid, unionizing and striking, all are good ways to organize.
None of us “simp” for the PRC or DPRK, and certainly not for the Russian Federation. We support socialist countries and critically support those working against the US empire.
Yeah, I have to admit the anti-US sentiment did align nicely with my eurocentric views. But the pro-Russia and pro-China sentiment did not jell with me very well, and was a factor of why I left
There’s very little disagreement among .ml users because .ml is so heavily moderated. As an insider, it looks like calm waters all around you. But other instances easily see the dissent getting quashed, and only deal with the .ml users spouting insane comments on non-ml communities.
So funny story guys, I was hanging out at a Nazi bar but they weren’t all that bad. In fact, they even bought me some drinks. The real problem was all the people outside the bar that would harass me with comments like, “why are you hanging with Nazis.”
So funny story guys, I was minding my own business at literally the main bar downtown, when a bunch of hard-right nutjobs threw gin in my face and called me a nazi saying “don’t you know who owns this bar”. Bitch, I was just having a drink at the first bar in town.
Anyway, I learned to stay clear of the bar they were asking me to join instead, because who in their right mind joins a bunch of random wackos throwing gin in people’s faces.
Go up through this chain, and objectively ask yourself Am I the one who has been lashing out and name calling like a deranged lunatic? Or have I been calm and collected and presented my side in a rational manner?
That may be true in some part, though I think people on Hexbear tend to conflate any criticism of their personal takes on leftism as an attack on leftism as a whole. However, in this case he did specify the “vocal” aspect of Hexbear. So I think you’re just being a little oversensitive.
I can’t say I agree with there being anything particularly out of the norm with Hexbear beyond their leftism, so when people describe them as “almost completely unhinged” in particular, that sets off red flags.
can’t say I agree with there being anything particularly out of the norm with Hexbear beyond their leftism
Eh… Imo they tend to be very small tent about their leftism. Anything that runs against the popular grain can get you blocked or get you told you’re a dirty lib.
This is essentially gaslighting. Almost every time I saw a reply that was so out of line toxic was from hexbear. Ex: “disgusting capitalist bootlicker. Kys.” under a post saying we should vote for Biden. I can go find these actual words on the post that was titled “get out and vote!” with an image that said “not voting is a vote for trump” if you want.
Voting for a genocidal imperialist warmonger isn’t leftist, so it makes sense that leftists oppose that. I’m not gaslighting, you’re kinda proving my point, it’s the leftism that’s the issue.
The overwhelming majority of the time people have issues with Hexbear, it’s the leftism.
This is the only thing I am responding to. Almost every comment on the defederation from hexbear thread said it was because of toxicity, not ideology. If a vegan says to someone “kys carnist, crawl into a hole and die,” and gets banned, they didn’t get banned for being vegan.
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for those that uphold socialist countries as legitimate, and oppose the US empire. Communists are not anywhere close to MAGA, and pretending they are is sophistry.
It absolutely is, it’s the McCarthyian vision of a spooky scary communist that wants to gobble up all of the babies. It’s used against Marxists and anti-imperialists to terminate discussion.
If their problem wasn’t with the communism but instead with the hatred they get, then Hexbear.net is good, which uses an allow-list for federation. It’s a very chill instance to use.
Considering “tankie” is just a pejorative for those who uphold socialism and oppose the US Empire, the “far right, conservative shite the tankies are smoking” is just Marxist theory.
I jumped in .ml by random and it’s crazy how had the hate is. If you find a good intance DM me sir.
It’s weird, I hopped off ML due to how much hate other users were giving me, but I never actually experienced anything from the ML users themselves. I did stay off the politics subs, so that’s maybe why, but it was genuinely quite a chill instance for me.
Anyway I’m on UK now, and people seem to treat me nicer
It’s similar in Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. Very chill usually, it’s the hatred they get from liberal-aligned instances that sparks all of the drama.
I agree. Whenever there’s a post about .ml users it comes from .world.
I understand if there’s political differences, but they incessantly try to vilify the whole instance.
Early on I poked around ml, and it wasn’t so much hate but more like some really… interesting views on how to organize politically
It boiled down to “unite the workers of the world and seize the means of production”, but like… That was it. No answer to how to do that, or what to do next
The most annoying part was honestly just how hard some of them simp for China and Russia, sometimes even North Korea
Marxists absolutely have advice on how to organize, the problem is that it’s very regional. Some parties are good, others are horrid, but the basics are to find a good organization local to you and join it. Protesting, reading theory, doing direct action and mutual aid, unionizing and striking, all are good ways to organize.
None of us “simp” for the PRC or DPRK, and certainly not for the Russian Federation. We support socialist countries and critically support those working against the US empire.
Yeah, I have to admit the anti-US sentiment did align nicely with my eurocentric views. But the pro-Russia and pro-China sentiment did not jell with me very well, and was a factor of why I left
You let them bully you into changing instances lol
I did. Have you not met some of these people? I’ve got kids, man
Weak
There’s very little disagreement among .ml users because .ml is so heavily moderated. As an insider, it looks like calm waters all around you. But other instances easily see the dissent getting quashed, and only deal with the .ml users spouting insane comments on non-ml communities.
That’s fair. Again, I never saw any of that. It was just the calm waters
So funny story guys, I was hanging out at a Nazi bar but they weren’t all that bad. In fact, they even bought me some drinks. The real problem was all the people outside the bar that would harass me with comments like, “why are you hanging with Nazis.”
Equating communists with Nazis is a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.”
So funny story guys, I was minding my own business at literally the main bar downtown, when a bunch of hard-right nutjobs threw gin in my face and called me a nazi saying “don’t you know who owns this bar”. Bitch, I was just having a drink at the first bar in town.
Anyway, I learned to stay clear of the bar they were asking me to join instead, because who in their right mind joins a bunch of random wackos throwing gin in people’s faces.
I guess the Swastika and picture of Hitler was just their way of “decorating”.
Again, communists and Nazis are diametrically opposed.
It’s funny, I only ever saw you guys putting those up
Oh I have been abused by .ml community many times with their BS and Alts.
You know who hasn’t lied and treated me like shit? People posting anti .ml memes.
Get bent with you apologizing nonsense. I also like how you frame yourself as the victim which is typical right wing nonsense.
Go up through this chain, and objectively ask yourself Am I the one who has been lashing out and name calling like a deranged lunatic? Or have I been calm and collected and presented my side in a rational manner?
I just posted an allegory, you are the one who took it personal. I don’t know you from the man in the moon and I have no hard feelings.
You haven’t been abused by .ML, good for you. There are lots who have. You do realize how tone-deaf you are I hope.
dbzer0!
. Zip is deec
.zip is good all rounder. I second.
hexbear.net
ROFL, About 7 in 10 of my interactions with .ml are either positive or neutral
The vocal side of hexbear is almost completely unhinged.
Calling leftists “almost completely unhinged” is more of a self-tell than anything.
I mean…they didn’t call “leftist” unhinged, they specified a specific group.
Hexbear does not equate to all leftist, and leftism does not equate to Hexbear.
The overwhelming majority of the time people have issues with Hexbear, it’s the leftism.
That may be true in some part, though I think people on Hexbear tend to conflate any criticism of their personal takes on leftism as an attack on leftism as a whole. However, in this case he did specify the “vocal” aspect of Hexbear. So I think you’re just being a little oversensitive.
I can’t say I agree with there being anything particularly out of the norm with Hexbear beyond their leftism, so when people describe them as “almost completely unhinged” in particular, that sets off red flags.
Eh… Imo they tend to be very small tent about their leftism. Anything that runs against the popular grain can get you blocked or get you told you’re a dirty lib.
This is essentially gaslighting. Almost every time I saw a reply that was so out of line toxic was from hexbear. Ex: “disgusting capitalist bootlicker. Kys.” under a post saying we should vote for Biden. I can go find these actual words on the post that was titled “get out and vote!” with an image that said “not voting is a vote for trump” if you want.
Voting for a genocidal imperialist warmonger isn’t leftist, so it makes sense that leftists oppose that. I’m not gaslighting, you’re kinda proving my point, it’s the leftism that’s the issue.
This is the only thing I am responding to. Almost every comment on the defederation from hexbear thread said it was because of toxicity, not ideology. If a vegan says to someone “kys carnist, crawl into a hole and die,” and gets banned, they didn’t get banned for being vegan.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/4281207
For anyone who actually cares to look at all the people discussing their negative experiences with hexbear users.
Bonus meme: my identical comment made by someone else on the instance: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2928583
Tankies are so far from left they’re basically MAGA.
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for those that uphold socialist countries as legitimate, and oppose the US empire. Communists are not anywhere close to MAGA, and pretending they are is sophistry.
That’s not what tankie means, but nice try.
It absolutely is, it’s the McCarthyian vision of a spooky scary communist that wants to gobble up all of the babies. It’s used against Marxists and anti-imperialists to terminate discussion.
Haha so wrong but please keep posting and voting on this post so people can see how tankies really are.
Ah yes, that should fix it.
Oh shoot I broke the rule in the meme!
Shutting out the voices of leftists is the rule in the meme? Sounds like we should break that.
Sorry cowbee, youve got no power here. I thought I had you blocked already. Leftist is fine, I draw the line at tankie. Blocked at instigator.
I don’t have “power” anywhere. Having issues with Marxists is still generally a bad thing that should be a broken rule.
nice try tankie.
If their problem wasn’t with the communism but instead with the hatred they get, then Hexbear.net is good, which uses an allow-list for federation. It’s a very chill instance to use.
Communism lol
Yep, Marxism is communist.
Yes exactly.
Not whatever that far right, conservative shite the tankies are smoking.
Considering “tankie” is just a pejorative for those who uphold socialism and oppose the US Empire, the “far right, conservative shite the tankies are smoking” is just Marxist theory.
That’s not what tankie means, but nice try.
Please go to piefed🙏
Lemmy.ca has been fantastic
zips good, moved here when ee died