“Grindset” is based in old puritan morality dictating that you must suffer in order to deserve anything, including to live. It’s still “Christian” values fucking us over.
I would argue it’s not really even a solid overlap with Christianity. Puritan ideals are a small subset of the overall Christian world, and might not even be the most relevant religiously centered ideals affecting our society today (prosperity gospel folks might be more politically relevant in America these days, and they are basically saying the opposite, that their religion offers promises of riches now in this life, and Catholics don’t seem as likely as Protestants to see toil as virtue).
Perhaps more importantly, there is a strong overlap with some cultural forces in distinctly non-Christian societies, like in India and China and Singapore and stuff, where people actively preach a philosophy where people must suffer in order to develop their characters and earn happiness/prosperity. I have had colleagues from Singapore (both Chinese and Indian heritage) who talked about this kind of stuff a lot, and it’s consistent with some of the LinkedIn nonsense that I see and make fun of on a regular basis. I think the concept and the origins of these ideas are pretty far removed from Christianity.
“Pressure creates diamonds, yes, but it also creates rubble.”
I like your analysis. It feels more optimistic than the idea of an upper class foisting it on us to have us work harder and question less. Though I suppose they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive things.
Left leaning spaces have become really good at pairing “don’t work too hard” meme’s with “I can’t pay rent or eat” memes and also “why can’t we get anything done” memes. They all go together.
People say that as we age that most people gravitate towards the right. I think it’s that as we age we slowly realize how full of shit the left are and how they really are just lazy people full of ideas they can’t bother to fight for themselves. That “grindset” or whatever the fuck you call it mentality is at the core of the right wing. And it shows in that they tend to hold power even when they don’t. The average right winger will drive across states just to go shit on some insignificant thing because they all feel they can change things in their life with effort. The left can’t bother to do much beyond tell others to disengage and not work too hard.
This is actually changing. Historically, folks usually moved more right as they aged, but that is shifting as folks agr now. Times are different, tons of people who did everything right can’t even afford a house now.
The left can’t bother to do much beyond tell others to disengage and not work too hard.
You’re American, aren’t you?
You do know that in the US, roughly one people out of 10 are literal millionaires, yet your major cities still have huge homeless populations (whom most have jobs by the way, some homeless people working several jobs) and literal shit on the street.
Say what you want about the Nordic model but it’s definitely much further left than whatever bullshit America is doing.
And we’re doing pretty okay. We have no human shit on our streets. Can you say the same?
I’m Canadian. We get American politics infecting our country all the time. I agree inequality is rampant. Which pisses me off even more how ineffective the left are at capturing any of the population. It’s dead in the water.
ineffective the left are at capturing any of the population. It’s dead in
In North America.
I think your sense of politics on a national level, is massively dirtied by your southern neighbour.
The left isn’t ineffective. Most people definitely know and favour leftist policies if you go ask them. Only some weird right wingers wouldn’t agree that it’s the government’s job to help it’s people.
So because there’s no good talking points on the right, the current propaganda is “don’t even support the left, they won’t achieve shit”. As is sowing apathy. Apathy is the single greatest tool an oppressor could wield. When people don’t believe change is possible, no-one does anything about it. “why bother” they say “it won’t work anyway”.
You can’t know until you try. I know I’m too guilty of this as well. But realising something and being able to not be affected by it are two different things.
Do you think that these are unrelated? Capitalism builds on puritanical protestant ideology, which played a part in the early spread of capitalist ideology. See Weber’s The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. It’s not a perfect cause and effect, but rather one piece of a web of cultural influences.
“Grindset” is based in old puritan morality dictating that you must suffer in order to deserve anything, including to live. It’s still “Christian” values fucking us over.
I would argue it’s not really even a solid overlap with Christianity. Puritan ideals are a small subset of the overall Christian world, and might not even be the most relevant religiously centered ideals affecting our society today (prosperity gospel folks might be more politically relevant in America these days, and they are basically saying the opposite, that their religion offers promises of riches now in this life, and Catholics don’t seem as likely as Protestants to see toil as virtue).
Perhaps more importantly, there is a strong overlap with some cultural forces in distinctly non-Christian societies, like in India and China and Singapore and stuff, where people actively preach a philosophy where people must suffer in order to develop their characters and earn happiness/prosperity. I have had colleagues from Singapore (both Chinese and Indian heritage) who talked about this kind of stuff a lot, and it’s consistent with some of the LinkedIn nonsense that I see and make fun of on a regular basis. I think the concept and the origins of these ideas are pretty far removed from Christianity.
Pressure turns coal into diamond - My Indian father taught me
I don’t believe it applies to humans now tho. I believe it comes from poor people trying to justify their hardships.
It comes from rich people starting on third base telling others they aren’t working hard enough.
My father doesn’t work for a rich person, never did.
“Pressure creates diamonds, yes, but it also creates rubble.”
I like your analysis. It feels more optimistic than the idea of an upper class foisting it on us to have us work harder and question less. Though I suppose they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive things.
Left leaning spaces have become really good at pairing “don’t work too hard” meme’s with “I can’t pay rent or eat” memes and also “why can’t we get anything done” memes. They all go together.
People say that as we age that most people gravitate towards the right. I think it’s that as we age we slowly realize how full of shit the left are and how they really are just lazy people full of ideas they can’t bother to fight for themselves. That “grindset” or whatever the fuck you call it mentality is at the core of the right wing. And it shows in that they tend to hold power even when they don’t. The average right winger will drive across states just to go shit on some insignificant thing because they all feel they can change things in their life with effort. The left can’t bother to do much beyond tell others to disengage and not work too hard.
This is actually changing. Historically, folks usually moved more right as they aged, but that is shifting as folks agr now. Times are different, tons of people who did everything right can’t even afford a house now.
Is it really changing?
Anecdotaly I see more right leaning people of all ages. People on the left are in hiding.
You’re American, aren’t you?
You do know that in the US, roughly one people out of 10 are literal millionaires, yet your major cities still have huge homeless populations (whom most have jobs by the way, some homeless people working several jobs) and literal shit on the street.
Say what you want about the Nordic model but it’s definitely much further left than whatever bullshit America is doing.
And we’re doing pretty okay. We have no human shit on our streets. Can you say the same?
I’m Canadian. We get American politics infecting our country all the time. I agree inequality is rampant. Which pisses me off even more how ineffective the left are at capturing any of the population. It’s dead in the water.
In North America.
I think your sense of politics on a national level, is massively dirtied by your southern neighbour.
The left isn’t ineffective. Most people definitely know and favour leftist policies if you go ask them. Only some weird right wingers wouldn’t agree that it’s the government’s job to help it’s people.
So because there’s no good talking points on the right, the current propaganda is “don’t even support the left, they won’t achieve shit”. As is sowing apathy. Apathy is the single greatest tool an oppressor could wield. When people don’t believe change is possible, no-one does anything about it. “why bother” they say “it won’t work anyway”.
You can’t know until you try. I know I’m too guilty of this as well. But realising something and being able to not be affected by it are two different things.
It’s really not, it’s about greed and capitalism. People aren’t grinding just for the sake of grinding.
Do you think that these are unrelated? Capitalism builds on puritanical protestant ideology, which played a part in the early spread of capitalist ideology. See Weber’s The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. It’s not a perfect cause and effect, but rather one piece of a web of cultural influences.