The reason that Europe is yet to be fucked as bad as the US is that we still have prominent leftist parties who actually do further leftist agenda.
I can reject cookies when I visit websites. Thanks lefties.
I don’t have to pay for my medications or doctors. Well, at most like a few hundred. At most. And if you don’t make any money, you don’t have to, social security will take care of your bills.
What has the right done, on the other hand? Taken away free dental care from under 18’s, massively fucked the dental for adults as well, mostly privatised it. Similar attempts with other systems.
So if one is actively seeking to make my life worse by not caring a single bit about the consequences of their policies, and the other is attempting to drive through policies which would counter said privatisation, and also have attempts to help the general populace, then yeah, I know who I’m voting for.
Luckily I don’t live in a silly two-party system, although partisan systems in general are kind of dumb in my opinion, even the multi-party ones. But that’s a step too far to discuss with someone used to North-American politics, I think. I mean granted Canada isn’t a two-party system but in practice it is closer to the US as a system than most European governments.
And let’s just skip over the whole part where your spreading of apathy is playing directly into the pocket of the right wing American parties and thus serving the Russian agenda.
What has the Left actually accomplished anywhere in the last ten years? Not just the U.S. anywhere. Rejecting cookies isn’t an achievement.
Globally, the Right has regained power and is effectively spreading its ideas.
The Left, including its voters, are disengaged and uninformed. And the excuses are endless: morality, propaganda, oligarchy, anything but self-awareness.
The reality is simple, the average Leftist is being outclassed by the average person on the Right.
Results are what matter, and the results are bad. The Right dominates media and public narratives worldwide. The was a Left owned thing for the longest time. We were the internet ffs. Nowadays the left often doesn’t even understand what’s happening.
This isn’t Russian propaganda. It’s the Left’s own behavior, retreating from conflict, abandoning platforms, and calling it virtue. That vacuum gets filled. The Left did this to itself, and while it fights a bullshit war with a glorified spellchecker, the Right keeps gaining power.
You refuse to accept reality and just whine on about how left won’t ever work.
And weirdly, you won’t address the part where I point out your naive and nihilistic bullshit wrong.
Just because you don’t care or understand politics except for the ones you see talked about on comedy shows doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
You ignored the part where I point out here an unemployed person will have subjectively completely free healthcare. Doesn’t have to pay a dime for their meds or doctors meets or treatments.
You also ignore the part where your rhetoric is playing right into the pocket of the right wing / Russian agenda.
You’re just yelling “left bad left bad” while implying the right doesn’t suffer from absolute lunatics and uninformed voters. “The left doesn’t know what the fuck is going on half the time.” And right wingers never do, living in some lalalalands of their own imaginings. So the left still wins by knowing their shit at least half the time.
Either you’re dimwitted or just straight up bad faith propaganda spamming.
Fuck your dimwitted attempt at spreading apathy. No data and only vague bullshit about NA politics. Educate yourself better.
Is your social Healthcare argument something that was implement by the left within the last decade. If it hasn’t then why is it relevant to this discussion?
I have not ignored that part. I addressed it with my point about self awareness. Blaming Russian propaganda is an excuse to avoid having to be critical of yourself. It gives you a defense just like the right does when they blame Biden or Obama. It’s a diversion to not address the problems at hand.
Is your social Healthcare argument something that was implement by the left within the last decade.
You can’t properly read comments twice that long, but now are asking for specific policies and laws that left has pushed through.
So literally just ignoring everything I say and saying “nuh-uh, the left doesn’t do anything”. When shoved with fucking example after example after example.
And then dismiss Russian propaganda completely, as if I’m avoiding criticising my local politics because you’re ignorant of them?
Every tome I think I’ve seen the most stupid shit you come up with shit like that.
“Wyaa wyaaa cookies online don’t matter WYAA WYAAA I’m asking for specifics wyaaah byyyaah.”
(Regulation (EU) 2016/679),[1] abbreviated GDPR, is a European Union regulation on information privacy in the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). The GDPR is an important component of EU privacy law and human rights law, in particular Article 8(1) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
Or maybe you think 2016 was more than 10 years ago, with your arbitrary random garbage. Honestly you’re doing a shit job of whatever it is you’re trying to do. “WYAAA WYAAA IGNORE THE RIGHT I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT SO THEY DON’T EXIST BYYYAAAAHHHHHHHH MY IGNORANCE IS MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR OBJECTIVE DATA BYYYAAAH”
Go back to listen to Joe Rogan you ignorant right-wing Vanja Jr
You’re out of line. You ignored entirely what I was asking for by using universal Healthcare as an example. This is exactly what my issue is. The left are resting on it’s own laurels while failing horribly. This generation of leftist are the most ineffective in it’s history. GDPR is a good example but it has no bearing here when you compare to things like
Conservative capture of the Supreme Court of the United States.
Overturning Roe v. Wade
Long-term judicial appointments in the US locking in conservative influence for decades
Brexit
Normalization of nationalist politics in all countries.
Sustained rule by right-wing governments in Hungary under Viktor Orbán
Election of Giorgia Meloni in Italy and mainstreaming of post-fascist right politics
Modi
Influence of Jair Bolsonaro
Immigration framed globally as a security and cultural where the left has lost the cultural view in the general public as it being good or humanitarian.
Normalization of border enforcement and deportation rhetoric across Europe and North America
Everything with ICE. From it’s budget to expansion of its power. This will likely be replicated globally.
Globally reframing anything left as “wokeness”
Gender identity, trans issues, and school curriculum to the point that teachers are burnt out if they even dare put up a rainbow.
Successful positioning of parental rights as a core political issue
Push towards privatization of education while gutting public education.
Expansion and dominance of right-leaning alternative media, podcasts, and YouTube political commentary
Post-2022 realignment of Twitter favoring right-leaning narratives and influencers.
Wealthy right wing or libertarian leaders buying up all media or suing media into submission.
Higher engagement and reach of right-wing messaging among young men
Expanding “country first” rhetoric and other nationalistic views
Skepticism of global institutions (UN, WHO, EU) becoming mainstream positions
Globalization blamed for everything
Gutting climate policy
Taxation reframed as punishment rather than public investment
Regulation framed as elitist overreach or flat or fraud
Cohesive right-wing coalitions prioritizing power over ideological purity
“You’re out of line wyaaah, you don’t agree with my bullshit propaganda wyyyaaah, lefties don’t do anything despite reality, look, here, let me list my ethnocentric googling results of random things by the right”
Jesus f king hell you’re annoying. What are you, 12? Or an actual Russian. One or the other based on the level of discourse you’re capable of.
Prove me wrong. The left has been in decline for over a decade. It’s full of people like you who are ineffective, uninformed and have zero self awareness. You all think you’re right but really you’re just circling the drain. And I’m not saying this to be mean like you’re attempting. I genuinely mean that the left have not been able to counter anything the right has done and it shows when someone like you can’t even muster a decent response. Anything you don’t like is propaganda or Russia just like anything they don’t like is fraud or woke.
You all can keep believing the right wing and MAGA are dumb. For sure within that group are some of the most brain dead followers you’ll find. But they at least have effective people steering them towards their goals. The left showed up in streets with millions and still couldn’t change or accomplish what the MAGA did with bullshit memes. The left need to wake the fuck up and or distance itself from the current base because that core group are the reason it’s failing.
What the fuck are you talking about? The left has zero political representation at the federal level. How do you expect a group without any representation in the legislature to affect legislation? Or are you just pointing at the orange thing saying it’s orange like an asshole? Fuckin thanks buddy for pointing out The obvious. The thing is that the left is actually morally and emphatically correct more often than not since we believe in things like evidence and cause and effect. That humans are generally really fucking stupid and selfish to the point the right wing can so easily manipulate so many isn’t a problem for the left, it’s a fucking existential threat to humanity. It’s a coordinated glabal effort by zealots that hold the majority of the whole fuckin planets wealth and you’re here bitching about the left having a messaging problem. Motherfucker you right here are why we are cooked.
Prove me wrong, you’re just whining and moving your goalposts.
You don’t do jack shit. I’ve been in several political parties and am a sergeant in the reserves, because I know Russia is a dimwitted developing nation with a brainwashed populace, so I need to know how to use the weapons we use and the ones they use.
Ask me how many times I’ve taken apart and put together the most popular Russian LMG’s.
Everything you’ve asked I’ve given, but you whine about “nyyyaaah nooo you weren’t supposed to actually name a policy the left pushed through even though I specifically asked for one byyyaaah wyyyaaah”
Again, quit being so ethnocentric.
The reason that Europe is yet to be fucked as bad as the US is that we still have prominent leftist parties who actually do further leftist agenda.
I can reject cookies when I visit websites. Thanks lefties.
I don’t have to pay for my medications or doctors. Well, at most like a few hundred. At most. And if you don’t make any money, you don’t have to, social security will take care of your bills.
What has the right done, on the other hand? Taken away free dental care from under 18’s, massively fucked the dental for adults as well, mostly privatised it. Similar attempts with other systems.
So if one is actively seeking to make my life worse by not caring a single bit about the consequences of their policies, and the other is attempting to drive through policies which would counter said privatisation, and also have attempts to help the general populace, then yeah, I know who I’m voting for.
Luckily I don’t live in a silly two-party system, although partisan systems in general are kind of dumb in my opinion, even the multi-party ones. But that’s a step too far to discuss with someone used to North-American politics, I think. I mean granted Canada isn’t a two-party system but in practice it is closer to the US as a system than most European governments.
And let’s just skip over the whole part where your spreading of apathy is playing directly into the pocket of the right wing American parties and thus serving the Russian agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
What has the Left actually accomplished anywhere in the last ten years? Not just the U.S. anywhere. Rejecting cookies isn’t an achievement. Globally, the Right has regained power and is effectively spreading its ideas.
The Left, including its voters, are disengaged and uninformed. And the excuses are endless: morality, propaganda, oligarchy, anything but self-awareness. The reality is simple, the average Leftist is being outclassed by the average person on the Right.
Results are what matter, and the results are bad. The Right dominates media and public narratives worldwide. The was a Left owned thing for the longest time. We were the internet ffs. Nowadays the left often doesn’t even understand what’s happening.
This isn’t Russian propaganda. It’s the Left’s own behavior, retreating from conflict, abandoning platforms, and calling it virtue. That vacuum gets filled. The Left did this to itself, and while it fights a bullshit war with a glorified spellchecker, the Right keeps gaining power.
You refuse to accept reality and just whine on about how left won’t ever work.
And weirdly, you won’t address the part where I point out your naive and nihilistic bullshit wrong.
Just because you don’t care or understand politics except for the ones you see talked about on comedy shows doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
You ignored the part where I point out here an unemployed person will have subjectively completely free healthcare. Doesn’t have to pay a dime for their meds or doctors meets or treatments.
You also ignore the part where your rhetoric is playing right into the pocket of the right wing / Russian agenda.
You’re just yelling “left bad left bad” while implying the right doesn’t suffer from absolute lunatics and uninformed voters. “The left doesn’t know what the fuck is going on half the time.” And right wingers never do, living in some lalalalands of their own imaginings. So the left still wins by knowing their shit at least half the time.
Either you’re dimwitted or just straight up bad faith propaganda spamming.
Fuck your dimwitted attempt at spreading apathy. No data and only vague bullshit about NA politics. Educate yourself better.
Is your social Healthcare argument something that was implement by the left within the last decade. If it hasn’t then why is it relevant to this discussion?
I have not ignored that part. I addressed it with my point about self awareness. Blaming Russian propaganda is an excuse to avoid having to be critical of yourself. It gives you a defense just like the right does when they blame Biden or Obama. It’s a diversion to not address the problems at hand.
You can’t properly read comments twice that long, but now are asking for specific policies and laws that left has pushed through.
So literally just ignoring everything I say and saying “nuh-uh, the left doesn’t do anything”. When shoved with fucking example after example after example.
And then dismiss Russian propaganda completely, as if I’m avoiding criticising my local politics because you’re ignorant of them?
Every tome I think I’ve seen the most stupid shit you come up with shit like that.
“Wyaa wyaaa cookies online don’t matter WYAA WYAAA I’m asking for specifics wyaaah byyyaah.”
It’s not my problem you’re illiterate, is it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
Or maybe you think 2016 was more than 10 years ago, with your arbitrary random garbage. Honestly you’re doing a shit job of whatever it is you’re trying to do. “WYAAA WYAAA IGNORE THE RIGHT I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT SO THEY DON’T EXIST BYYYAAAAHHHHHHHH MY IGNORANCE IS MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR OBJECTIVE DATA BYYYAAAH”
Go back to listen to Joe Rogan you ignorant right-wing Vanja Jr
You’re out of line. You ignored entirely what I was asking for by using universal Healthcare as an example. This is exactly what my issue is. The left are resting on it’s own laurels while failing horribly. This generation of leftist are the most ineffective in it’s history. GDPR is a good example but it has no bearing here when you compare to things like
Trumps double victory reshaping conservative politics globally
Conservative capture of the Supreme Court of the United States.
Overturning Roe v. Wade
Long-term judicial appointments in the US locking in conservative influence for decades
Brexit
Normalization of nationalist politics in all countries.
Sustained rule by right-wing governments in Hungary under Viktor Orbán
Election of Giorgia Meloni in Italy and mainstreaming of post-fascist right politics
Modi
Influence of Jair Bolsonaro
Immigration framed globally as a security and cultural where the left has lost the cultural view in the general public as it being good or humanitarian.
Normalization of border enforcement and deportation rhetoric across Europe and North America
Everything with ICE. From it’s budget to expansion of its power. This will likely be replicated globally.
Globally reframing anything left as “wokeness”
Gender identity, trans issues, and school curriculum to the point that teachers are burnt out if they even dare put up a rainbow.
Successful positioning of parental rights as a core political issue
Push towards privatization of education while gutting public education.
Expansion and dominance of right-leaning alternative media, podcasts, and YouTube political commentary Post-2022 realignment of Twitter favoring right-leaning narratives and influencers.
Wealthy right wing or libertarian leaders buying up all media or suing media into submission.
Higher engagement and reach of right-wing messaging among young men
Expanding “country first” rhetoric and other nationalistic views
Skepticism of global institutions (UN, WHO, EU) becoming mainstream positions
Globalization blamed for everything
Gutting climate policy
Taxation reframed as punishment rather than public investment
Regulation framed as elitist overreach or flat or fraud
Cohesive right-wing coalitions prioritizing power over ideological purity
bombing fishing boats in Venezuela
Isreal
So no GDPR is not it.
“You’re out of line wyaaah, you don’t agree with my bullshit propaganda wyyyaaah, lefties don’t do anything despite reality, look, here, let me list my ethnocentric googling results of random things by the right”
Jesus f king hell you’re annoying. What are you, 12? Or an actual Russian. One or the other based on the level of discourse you’re capable of.
Prove me wrong. The left has been in decline for over a decade. It’s full of people like you who are ineffective, uninformed and have zero self awareness. You all think you’re right but really you’re just circling the drain. And I’m not saying this to be mean like you’re attempting. I genuinely mean that the left have not been able to counter anything the right has done and it shows when someone like you can’t even muster a decent response. Anything you don’t like is propaganda or Russia just like anything they don’t like is fraud or woke.
You all can keep believing the right wing and MAGA are dumb. For sure within that group are some of the most brain dead followers you’ll find. But they at least have effective people steering them towards their goals. The left showed up in streets with millions and still couldn’t change or accomplish what the MAGA did with bullshit memes. The left need to wake the fuck up and or distance itself from the current base because that core group are the reason it’s failing.
What the fuck are you talking about? The left has zero political representation at the federal level. How do you expect a group without any representation in the legislature to affect legislation? Or are you just pointing at the orange thing saying it’s orange like an asshole? Fuckin thanks buddy for pointing out The obvious. The thing is that the left is actually morally and emphatically correct more often than not since we believe in things like evidence and cause and effect. That humans are generally really fucking stupid and selfish to the point the right wing can so easily manipulate so many isn’t a problem for the left, it’s a fucking existential threat to humanity. It’s a coordinated glabal effort by zealots that hold the majority of the whole fuckin planets wealth and you’re here bitching about the left having a messaging problem. Motherfucker you right here are why we are cooked.
Prove me wrong, you’re just whining and moving your goalposts.
You don’t do jack shit. I’ve been in several political parties and am a sergeant in the reserves, because I know Russia is a dimwitted developing nation with a brainwashed populace, so I need to know how to use the weapons we use and the ones they use.
Ask me how many times I’ve taken apart and put together the most popular Russian LMG’s.
Everything you’ve asked I’ve given, but you whine about “nyyyaaah nooo you weren’t supposed to actually name a policy the left pushed through even though I specifically asked for one byyyaaah wyyyaaah”
This is why you always lose your wars, cyka.