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“Abolish the police” is about the worst messaging you can use, it makes people vehemently reject you. It became a laughingstock thing in the midwest after BLM protests, “Can you believe those crazy Minnesota liberals think we shouldn’t have police.” We do actually need police, as you’ll discover if you’re robbed. We just need them to be completely different, in a way that no one’s quite figured out yet. The discussion about what they should actually do (and not do) is the conversation we need to start.
Civilian review boards. Abolishing qualified immunity. Abolishing the practice of cops getting fired for some fuckery but then getting new cop jobs in a different district. Abolishing civil forfeiture. Disarming cops except for highly specialized and carefully managed units. Training in de-escalation and enforcement of its use. Employment of mental health crisis agents when armed cops aren’t warranted. Abolishing no-knock raids.
These are just the policies I could think of off the top of my head that would go a long way to improving the police problem. I imagine there are tons more. We could try to implement any or all of them and see immediate improvements. But instead people go straight to “abolish the police / ACAB,” and suddenly there’s no such thing as a discussion anymore, just pro- and anti- groups screaming at each other.
People used to say this stuff non-ironically on my country (chile) years ago, but the steady rise of organized crime has made it so poppularity of the police now sits at like a 70%, yeah, police can be terrible, but the monsters hiding on the shadows waiting for a weakened police to emerge, are way worse.
We need a more professional police, more strict within their ranks, with better training and betting.
This is why I feel you can’t just start with abolishing the police. There’s too many problems that gave us the need for police as a band aid fix we need to focus on first. But then all these issues are so interconnected, it’s tricky.
The US policing system needs to be completely redeveloped from the ground up. It’s far too institutionally entrenched in outright racist and militarized policies.
tbf, in the US it’s more like murder hungry hungry hippos
Yes, the police go around shooting and abducting people and taking their possessions, but if we didn’t have them we’d have gangs going around shooting and abducting people and taking their possessions.
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Nah the police been doing this long before ice was a thing
Are you not from USA? No.
Job you love, don’t work a day in your life or smth
I guess you could say the police are being paid to protect you from the things they would do to you if you stopped paying them.
So…a racket?
So… The real mafia was the police we made along the way?
Even if they all found jobs elsewhere, most of the things you’d expect them to be qualified for aren’t really tremendously better.
I think they could handle prison labor just fine. I’d say least love the chance to see this tested.
Police is necessary but in USA it sure does require some serious defunding and alternatives. For example what Mandani tries to do.
In a lot of countries the regular policeman you meet on the street have no firearms on them and yet have lower crime rates than the US.
“Policing” effectively does not require violence. Why do American cops always throw people on the ground and/or force their arms when cuffing them? If they’re unarmed and cooperative that’s entirely unnecessary, yet it seems standard practice there.
Also, the continued use of “law enforcement” over “police” and “cops” is one of the greatest acts of newspeak. You aren’t against enforcing the law are you? That would make you an anarchist and a terrorist
I’m not an expert copolist, and I’m almost sure this is not the only reason, but it seems somewhat easier to keep crime at bay when not every four year old can just carry an AR15 with a rocket launcher and plasma gun attachment.
Something needs to fill the role of civil protection services
Though, how to do that without encouraging corruption, i dunno
Robot cops…? Can’t be corrupted if you’re a cold, unfeeling machine. Right? 🤔
You’ve shifted the problem of corruption from the cops to the programmers
Unless you make their code open source, but even then, there’s still a person/entity responsible for managing the code
Computers aren’t divorced from human biases. They do exactly what you’ve told them to do, even if you didn’t intend for the exact outcome.
There’s no “do the right thing” instruction. You have to mathematically define what “the right thing” is as a series of numerical instructions
Are you going to replace the commissioner / police chiefs and top brass with AI as well? Otherwise, the benefits would be limited.
Where’d you find this? I dont see it posted on any of their socials
Ah I thought it was a recent comic, my mistake. Thanks for the link!
Ngl, my opinion of America has become: no cost too great to take it down.
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