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    17 hours ago

    A stunning new poll shows a whopping 71 percent of Americans say President Donald Trump knew about former pal and currently deceased Jeffrey Epstein’s sex crimes against underage girls — and a wide plurality say he was “involved in” those crimes.

    So that’s 71% that said he broke the law and contributed in some way to the abuse whether by direct action or by not reporting what he knew.

    That’s actually really high. It would be tough to get 71% of Americans to agree on what day of the week it is.

    Edit: Looks like it’s a YouGov survey, and the article cites a second YouGov survey as corroboration, so I’m not sure how scientifically rigorous this is.

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      16 hours ago

      More Americans believe in ghosts than believe trump wasn’t aware and complicit in Epstein systematically trafficking and raping children…

      Edit: Looks like it’s a YouGov survey, and the article cites a second YouGov survey as corroboration, so I’m not sure how scientifically rigorous this is.

      Huh?

      It’s got more than enough participants and everything seems by the book…

      Is this one of those things where people got turned into science deniers because pundits interpretations of other polls didn’t turnout true?

      That’s like saying Doppler radar is untrustworthy because when it was a 50% chance of rain, it didn’t rain at your house…

      The science wasn’t wrong, you just never understood what it said. And rather than take an opportunity to learn what you misunderstood to stop the misunderstanding from happening again…

      You’re just staying ignorant and now no longer believe any of the science because you don’t understand.

      Why?

      Why does science denial seem like the best path to you?

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        16 hours ago

        Calling looking at the methodology and questioning its voracity “science denial” is wild.

        YouGov is self selecting. I’m sure they do true random polling in some capacity too, but both linked studies said they were web surveys of YouGov users selected bases on their profile demographics to be a representative group.

        My issue is that by the pool only being YouGov users, just balancing on ideology is not the same as random sampling.

        Not claiming to be a data scientist here, just reading the study and applying some healthy skepticism.

        If I’m wrong and the methods are sound then great, I would be happy to believe that that many Americans actually believe that.

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          16 hours ago

          Calling looking at the methodology and questioning its voracity “science denial” is wild.

          That’s not what you did, you based it off two polls being done by the same polling company…

          I looked at the methodology, then informed you it was fine…

          Not claiming to be a data scientist here, just reading the study and applying some healthy skepticism.

          I am fully aware that you:

          1. Don’t know about this subject

          2. Are shitting on science because you don’t understand it

          3. Are now claiming to be “just asking questions”

          The only thing I’m not clear on, is why you believe this is different than any other science denier.

          But I think trying to get you to understand enough to answer that question, will go the same as asking any other science denier why they don’t believe in a certain field of science.

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            16 hours ago

            I think the issue here is you are reading

            Looks like it’s a YouGov survey, and the article cites a second YouGov survey as corroboration, so I’m not sure how scientifically rigorous this is.

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            Looks like it’s a <any firm> survey, and the article cites a second <the same firm> survey as corroboration, so I’m not sure how scientifically rigorous this is.

            My issue is with it being YouGov specifically, not that both were from the same source. Then I looked at the PDFs themselves to confirm they were opt-in web surveys before adding my edit.

            Personally I do think he’s guilty and would love it if 71% think he was at least complicit.

            Not really interested in taking this further though. Enjoy your day.

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              14 hours ago

              Science, y’know, matters.

              It’s not mutually exclusive, but statistical analysis is both science and matters