Are taking any bets on how long it takes Flock to come out with a statement indirectly or even directly blaming youtubers like Benn Jordan for this?

They would absolutely care if their audience flocked to AMD.

Graphics cards are still roughly ten percent of their revenue, that is not a lot, i’ll give you that, but they are a stable income. When this AI demand inevitably dries up it would definitely still be in their interest to not have alienated the entire gaming community that made them in the first place and that Nvidia as of right now still dominate.

They won’t be handing that to AMD. If for no other reason than to not give them the financial means to chase them down in the AI space as well.

Miele machines are in the four digit numbers though and are, in my opinion, only really a good option if you’re in the market for higher end appliances.

I’ve instead just stopped buying into the whole idea of “quality” appliances and now just go for the cheapest that offers the featureset i’m looking for, which is usually extremely basic, off of the assumption that i’m going to need to write it off as soon at is starts failing in 5 or so years.

I appreciate miele employ higher quality componentry but I’m of the conviction reprability shouldn’t be a budget matter. You can go through a lot of cheap laundry machines for the price of one miele.

It will suprise noone a 250 euro washing machine uses cheaper components that break faster but they should also be cheap to fix, there really is no reason they can’t be.

The savings bosh make on some screws by gluing or plastic welding the drum housing shut is not in a reasonable relation to the reduction of reprability of the machine and the load of premature writeoff has on the environment.

Was this never a thing in the US previously?

I distinctly remember from my school days (Western EU) mobile phones were to remain off and in backpacks.

And those were still the days we you just had this relatively dumb flipphone that could litterally only call and text and if you were lucky had a potato camera as it’s main novelty.

There was no access to internet, much less AI’s that can do your entire homework for you and they were already annoying to deal with for a teacher. Can’t imagine how that is now.

That specifically is such a naked example of planned obolescence i’m still salty that was not already illegal.

I was fuming when the bearing on my Bosh washing machine wore out and without batting an eyelid they wanted to sell me the whole drum assembly. Including mounting springs. Instead of just some bearings.

For the unitiated, that is roughly 70 percent of all the components in the whole machine. Other than the drum assembly there’s basicly only some logic boards, some plumbing and the motor.

All that to replace a 20 euro bearing. Which is a “wear part” by the way and should therefore 100 percent be serviceable.

Hidden and pinhole cameras have been a commercially available thing for decades, even on glasses.

And more or less equally problematic?

The idea that anyone used one as a truck, or that it could even reasonably be used as one is pretty laughable.

I mean, most people don’t use trucks as trucks.

Oh yeah. I’ve definately seen some renders that make it look quite nice, but they do that by adding a bunch of elements to it like skirts, extended wheel arches, spoilers, light bars, paint and lower it to the point you can’t use it as a truck anymore.

But then it also really stops being what it origionally was.

It can be a controversial item, but then cars are rarely universally put on a podium for it’s looks. Usually when you cater to broad audiences designs are trending towards the more boring/vanilla side.

The cars that really stick out design wise have always been at least somewhat controversial. Even today still with all these decades of car design exprience. Take for example BMW’s new (massive) grille.

Tesla has a reputation around confronting people with expensive battery pack swaps over a broken coolant pipe and stuff like that, you don’t need them to go out of business for a reasonable chance to turn your car into premature ewaste.

I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…

Hate is a big word, but Elon’s antics, the fact that most of the car’s aestetics are essentially superglued trim pieces, and that it just isn’t a better truck in any meaningful sense of the word took away most of this vehicle’s appeal to me.

Mostly the first point though.

That it ultimately didn’t sell for anywhere near the origionally announced price, and that in Europe they don’t want it on the road at all, also doesn’t help.

I also don’t think the Cybertruck’s aestetics are going to age the same way Edsel’s has.

Even placed in de universe of Cyberpunk, where it’s allegedly from, it really is mostly just a dumpster with wheels.

Why would you not just take a secondary (read: wiped) phone going somewhere problematic instead of relying on features like this? You know US border security under Trump plays fast and loose with your rights.

This depends highly on the subject. Disagreements I learn something practical from one way or another are great.

Most discussions in the sphere of politics and ideology are pointless as it’s almost always entirely personal opinion.

Especially without some kind of baseline in truth and reason people just say things. I have no time for that.

I use AI regularly and routinely for practical stuff and automation, it’s just in the art department where I really start to take issue with it’s use, because if the nature of what art is to me.

I have used it for graphical stuff and I feel getting from an AI exactly what you want is about comprable to getting from another human what you want.

At least in the way you interact with it.

I understand it can be extremely complex once you need to generate really specific stuff that for example also fits a cirtain style and not just “a guy in a cyberpunk city leaning against a car” or something like that, but all the same you stop being an actual artist and you start becoming more of a manager.

So I’m not trying to say prompting isn’t a skill, I just don’t think it (the output) will every qualify as an artistic work.

So tweaking a variable in one context isn’t the same as tweaking a variable in another? I simply don’t agree but it would be interesting to see why you feel that’s the case.

It’s in the comment you’re replying to. As I said I simply don’t feel changing shader variables or something along these lines is the same as generating content that doesn’t exist at all. I’m sure you agree mixing paints till you get the color you want also isn’t the same as outsourcing the painting altogether.

I’m just going to leave the rest be, it’s evident we disagree and I stopped reading at the part where you feel you’re in any position to “parent” me on anything.

You know this argument would apply to any digital tool used to make art right? Like Photoshop is using logic and algorithms to create image manipulations and similarly for vector art and video editing. Many effects one doesn’t know the actual outcome until it’s rendered and you have to go in and skillfully play with the software to get the desired result from the logic manipulations you’re not performing by hand. It’s not unlike crafting a prompt to get a desired result. An analogy to photography may be how people played chemically with film to get desired results. In an abstract sense one is twisting and dialing knobs of their tool to create art, not cognitively different than one playing with paint, brushes, and canvas to get a desired result.

If you use things like generative fill in packages like photoshop I will agree. But tweaking variables in a package like Blender to get a specific outcome for your shader is not the same as having AI generate what is not there at all.

I’m not inclined to conclude algorithms in blender, lightroom, Krita , after effects or Photoshop are intrinsically different than algorithms used for NN. Like hypothetically one could run through all of these algorithms with a pencil and paper, it would just take a really really long time.

You’d have to come up with exact algorithms you’re talking about if you want me to react to that because it’s a rather broad term.

There’s a bit of subjectivity in that argument, for instance someone who dislikes rock music could argue the energy used to play or produce it was wasteful.

I mean, sure. If we entirely ignore total energy used and all the rest of the hubub like employment and sales that these concerts generate.

It seemed the argument you were building was anything generated by NN was not art because of those issues. It’s maybe a more valid argument if one is speaking specifically about a particular model whose development or use is mired in copyright and environmental controversy but it’s not useful to apply that to all NN full stop which is why I posed the hypothetical.

No I really did mean it as simple as I said it. If the image comes from a logic machine, i’m not interested in it. I’m cirtainly not interested in spending any money on it. Just as i’m not interested in being sold a painting that is a copy of another painting. Or a painting from someone who in fact didn’t paint it at all.

I think we’re having two discussions. There is the discussion about whether or not media created using a neural network with a human prompting it can be considered art. Hypothetically an individual could design, train, and prompt a NN including creating the dataset themselves it was trained on. Would that also be discredited just for the fact part of their process used a NN?

I want to be clear that don’t feel qualified at all to classify things as art or not (outside of my personal opinion), but you’re still letting a logic machine make artistic choices and thusly letting your art (partly) be the result of calculations. Even if it’s trained on only your art and your way of working and way of thinking somehow, the process in which it generates output is unaffected.

What if one also used all clean carbon neutral energy to run and train their NN?

The only difference between clean and dirty energy is how it affects life on earth. Wastefulness should be avoided either way.

You could argue if you own a windmill you could just burn it’s output as it’s only wind and this windmill is yours, but it’s still better to have a smaller windmill or no windmill at all.

The other discussion is about the issues surrounding people’s current choices on how to develop neural networks. I guess you could link them together and say because of these issues anything created using these tools is not art. It would beg the hypothetical of if it would be art if these issues were not there.

I read this several times but I was unfortunately unable to distill where you’re going with this particular paragraph. I think it ties into your first point?

It’s similar to AI in that it decreases the mechanical effort one needs to create content

I get that you mean this from the perspective of the user, but you can’t ignore they are fixing to restart disused nuclear power plants to sustain the required computational power and the datacenters creating drinkingwater supply problems left and right.

Photography never had anywhere near the societarial cost that AI has.

I would challenge anyone who thinks all AI creations are nothing but slop to create something themselves equal to or better than some of the better works I’ve seen. Similar to a challenge of a traditional painter to create a compelling photographic composition.

There’ll always be a massive difference to me looking at something that comes from a logic machine and something that comes from a human. It’s not always about details and graphical fidelity. It’s why I have my 4 year old niece’s doodles on my fridge, instead of asking an AI to improve them and hang those instead.

Why would these deter creeps if all the existing surveillance measures and social pressure we already have is evidently ineffective? You’re talking about the sort of people that have no problem posting highly inappropriate comments on women’s instagram profiles under their own name.

And at the end this is still a Meta product, which is at least 50 percent of the problem with these glasses. It’s not just some private device, all that footage gets sucked into some big cloud to serve who knows what clandestine purpose.