the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: “theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron”
The whole reason third parties and spoilers are bad is for their impact, not some inherent issue with their existence. In the case of left-presenting third parties, the impact is bad. In the case of right-presenting third parties, the impact is good. Good things and bad things are different.
In the case of left-presenting third parties, the impact is bad. In the case of right-presenting third parties, the impact is good.
Ohhhh, so you’re saying that you’re fine with third parties when they negatively impact the Republicans. But you don’t like them when they negatively impact the Democrats.
Hmmm.
That’s so strange because I have been accused of being a russian asset for posting third party news. People wondering what my agenda is. Being accused of being a Trump fan. People saying that I MUST be getting paid in “russian bitcoins,” etc
UNLESS it’s bad for the Repubilcans. Then suddenly, upvotes. So it’s NOT about third parties. It’s because you guys are pissed when someone doesn’t vote for your side. lol
It’s only hypocrisy if they do things that disagree with their own views, and their own views are internally conistent in this case. Their view is not that all third parties are bad, their view is that third parties that have a negative impact are bad. So it doesn’t make it hypocrisy just because it disagrees with your straw man of their views.
Under plurality voting, third parties are objectively bad for the winning chances of whatever party they pull more voters from (and/or bad for whatever major party you personally would vote for, if you personally vote third party). That might be what some people meant by them being “bad”, even though they prefer one of those major parties to win (and cheer on anything that makes the other party less likely to win). Although it’s certainly possible that some people just think they are bad in general. People do have different opinions, after all.
Agreed. But people definitely were not thinking that way when they said I was a russian asset troll, just because posted some news articles about the Green Party.
You don’t understand what hypocrisy is. You think people are shitting on you because they just don’t like the concept of third parties, but then suddenly change their tune when it’s beneficial, but it’s actually because of the impact of specific third parties on whether fascists get to do things.
If the Greens were just running in deep-blue districts to challenge effectively unopposed Democrats more moderate than their district, that’d be a good thing. Maybe they’d still lose, but at least it wouldn’t make the country more fascist, and hopefully a few would win and make it a more progressive place. I wish there was someone from the left challenging my representative. But instead they almost only compete in high-profile elections where they have no chance of impact except to possibly help the fascist party get a plurality. Supporting fascists is bad.
You think people are shitting on you because they just don’t like the concept of third parties, but then suddenly change their tune when it’s beneficial
That’s exactly what I think. And I am seeing proof of it here every day! lol
And not all republicans are “fascists” by the way. I talking about strictly party loyalty. I don’t care who the repubican candidate is, the vitrol would be exactly the same.
You guys don’t like it when it affects you, but it’s totally fine when it affects them. Yes, that is hypocrisy.
And how long are you all gonna play the “fascist” card. Is it only for Trump? Or will it be for the next Republican too? And the one after that? And after? What about the people who vote republican, are they all fascists too? Is half the country fascists now?
You guys are just as extreme as they are. And just as cultish.
Not only that, the arguments I have had with people here on Lemmy, has done NOTHING to change my mind on the Green Party. I’m looking for to voting Green now, more than ever.
the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: “theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron”
The whole reason third parties and spoilers are bad is for their impact, not some inherent issue with their existence. In the case of left-presenting third parties, the impact is bad. In the case of right-presenting third parties, the impact is good. Good things and bad things are different.
Ohhhh, so you’re saying that you’re fine with third parties when they negatively impact the Republicans. But you don’t like them when they negatively impact the Democrats.
Hmmm.
That’s so strange because I have been accused of being a russian asset for posting third party news. People wondering what my agenda is. Being accused of being a Trump fan. People saying that I MUST be getting paid in “russian bitcoins,” etc
UNLESS it’s bad for the Repubilcans. Then suddenly, upvotes. So it’s NOT about third parties. It’s because you guys are pissed when someone doesn’t vote for your side. lol
Let’s talk about hypocrisy next, guys!
It’s only hypocrisy if they do things that disagree with their own views, and their own views are internally conistent in this case. Their view is not that all third parties are bad, their view is that third parties that have a negative impact are bad. So it doesn’t make it hypocrisy just because it disagrees with your straw man of their views.
That sure isn’t the heat I was catching these last few days. It was definitely “third parties are bad!”
Under plurality voting, third parties are objectively bad for the winning chances of whatever party they pull more voters from (and/or bad for whatever major party you personally would vote for, if you personally vote third party). That might be what some people meant by them being “bad”, even though they prefer one of those major parties to win (and cheer on anything that makes the other party less likely to win). Although it’s certainly possible that some people just think they are bad in general. People do have different opinions, after all.
Agreed. But people definitely were not thinking that way when they said I was a russian asset troll, just because posted some news articles about the Green Party.
You don’t understand what hypocrisy is. You think people are shitting on you because they just don’t like the concept of third parties, but then suddenly change their tune when it’s beneficial, but it’s actually because of the impact of specific third parties on whether fascists get to do things.
If the Greens were just running in deep-blue districts to challenge effectively unopposed Democrats more moderate than their district, that’d be a good thing. Maybe they’d still lose, but at least it wouldn’t make the country more fascist, and hopefully a few would win and make it a more progressive place. I wish there was someone from the left challenging my representative. But instead they almost only compete in high-profile elections where they have no chance of impact except to possibly help the fascist party get a plurality. Supporting fascists is bad.
That’s exactly what I think. And I am seeing proof of it here every day! lol
And not all republicans are “fascists” by the way. I talking about strictly party loyalty. I don’t care who the repubican candidate is, the vitrol would be exactly the same.
You guys don’t like it when it affects you, but it’s totally fine when it affects them. Yes, that is hypocrisy.
And how long are you all gonna play the “fascist” card. Is it only for Trump? Or will it be for the next Republican too? And the one after that? And after? What about the people who vote republican, are they all fascists too? Is half the country fascists now?
You guys are just as extreme as they are. And just as cultish.
Not only that, the arguments I have had with people here on Lemmy, has done NOTHING to change my mind on the Green Party. I’m looking for to voting Green now, more than ever.
LOL, a “socialist” hesitant to call Republican politicians “fascist”. Yeah, sure. I totally believe you.
I’m confused, what part are you uncertain about?
I said not all Republicans are fascists, and I stand by that. I also don’t think all Republican politicians are fascists.
What part is so surprising to you? Do you think that half of the country is fascist now!?