This is such an inherently American perspective, that kids are just an inconvenience and aren’t allowed to participate in society because it bothers me.
They’re not going to learn how to behave if you don’t get them out into society. We all need to be a little patient as they learn. Most of us were allowed to learn in public, it wasn’t like our parents sat us down and explained the rules and had us do a test before we went out.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best. No, they can’t make their infant stop crying every time. Get over it. It’s just some noise.
France is always held up as an example of how remarkable kids can behave. I really wish I could remember which book I read about it in, but they talked about how there is a very strong tendency in France to bring kids out to dinner at a very young age and frequently. It is baked into their culture, so the kids learn earlier and faster. Throughout this process people are generally not complaining and shooting mean glances or talking shit about the parents teaching their kids.
Kids are a part your community, they should be allowed to participate.
Edit: man some of you really don’t like kids or parents.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best
The examples you’ve dismissed are what this entire conversation is about. You’ve dismissed the entire issue, which makes your input meaningless.
Yes, kids that run around and can’t be quiet should be at my candlelit restaurant, at a bar where drunk people are lurching around, at a rowdy concert, unrestrained at an axe throwing place, and especially at a music/theater performance, or a funeral/religious service where their parents refuse to parent them…
I’m sorry, what bars are you going to you where kids are running around? That’s literally illegal in many countries. Definitely in the US.
Candle lit dinners? That is absurd. If you’ve seen that, it’s an outlier. Or it just sounds like “something that definitely happens.“
I call bullshit aside from the ax throwing because that is very specific. And I already acknowledged that there are parents out there who let kids run wild. But to apply that to all parents? That’s just anti-natalist nonsense seeping into your talking points
I want you to show me that nuance in the post above. Because what I see is “isn’t it hilarious when kids hurt themselves? That’s what they get for annoying me.”
They need to be taught how to behave. And they’re only going to learn by being out in the world and making little mistakes here and there. Just get the fuck over it. They are a part of your community, and there are plenty of people in our community that are inconvenient to have around. But we don’t treat them with the same disdain (Unless you’re a republican)
Does America not have “Family Friendly” restaraunts at all? Like not “Chuck E Cheese” but casual dining for families with outdoor playgrounds or an indoor play room?
My friends and I go out EVERY SATURDAY and 6 kids in total and they know the rules "Cause a ruckus out there on the other side of the heavy windows where I can supervise but still hold a grown up conversation.
I didnt mean it like that, I legitimately dont know. I know Chuck e cheese is a thing (great play area, terrible food) high end restaurants are obviously a thing, as is family casual like TGI Fridays and chain places, but do they have playgrounds?
Its a stupidly common thing in Australia. The food is (usually) a solid 6 or 7, sometimes an 8, the bar is pretty well stocked and the play area is like an average public park. Easiest way to explain it is like a TINY casino, theres usually some function rooms, a small (or overwhelmingly large if its a predatory shithole) area with slot machines, and a restaraunt (sometimes a few) and a play area.
If I wanted to go out to eat and had to choose between Chuck E Cheese and a restaraunt where I have to spend the whole night managing my childs behavior to not upset others and those were my ONLY options without the ball ache of organising and paying babysitters. I probably wouldnt go out.
I don’t want to exclusively go to chuck-e-cheese’s and pizza shops for 10 years. That’s not unreasonable.
You may have not meant it like that, but I don’t think you realize how much you are expecting everyone with kids to compromise so you won’t ever be annoyed or inconvenienced.
Wow you went from valid even if I disagree to total dick in minutes. Congrats.
Yes I did read it. You seriously think I should agree with the idea of just not going out? I actually had to respond to that specifically? That sounded off handed and, frankly, so ridiculous it wasn’t worth responding to.
Get over yourself. In fact, go fuck yourself. Feel free to have the last word, I’m sure it’s very important to you.
Kids are people. There are some annoying, there are some nice, overall they’re okay. If a person wouldn’t say “I laugh when adults get hurt because adults annoy me just by being adults”, then they shouldn’t say the same about kids.
Yeah, obnoxious people in public suck no matter their age
This is such an inherently American perspective, that kids are just an inconvenience and aren’t allowed to participate in society because it bothers me.
They’re not going to learn how to behave if you don’t get them out into society. We all need to be a little patient as they learn. Most of us were allowed to learn in public, it wasn’t like our parents sat us down and explained the rules and had us do a test before we went out.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best. No, they can’t make their infant stop crying every time. Get over it. It’s just some noise.
France is always held up as an example of how remarkable kids can behave. I really wish I could remember which book I read about it in, but they talked about how there is a very strong tendency in France to bring kids out to dinner at a very young age and frequently. It is baked into their culture, so the kids learn earlier and faster. Throughout this process people are generally not complaining and shooting mean glances or talking shit about the parents teaching their kids.
Kids are a part your community, they should be allowed to participate.
Edit: man some of you really don’t like kids or parents.
The examples you’ve dismissed are what this entire conversation is about. You’ve dismissed the entire issue, which makes your input meaningless.
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Yes, kids that run around and can’t be quiet should be at my candlelit restaurant, at a bar where drunk people are lurching around, at a rowdy concert, unrestrained at an axe throwing place, and especially at a music/theater performance, or a funeral/religious service where their parents refuse to parent them…
I’m sorry, what bars are you going to you where kids are running around? That’s literally illegal in many countries. Definitely in the US.
Candle lit dinners? That is absurd. If you’ve seen that, it’s an outlier. Or it just sounds like “something that definitely happens.“
I call bullshit aside from the ax throwing because that is very specific. And I already acknowledged that there are parents out there who let kids run wild. But to apply that to all parents? That’s just anti-natalist nonsense seeping into your talking points
The point here is that people don’t want no kids at all, just no mini-terrorists running amok.
I want you to show me that nuance in the post above. Because what I see is “isn’t it hilarious when kids hurt themselves? That’s what they get for annoying me.”
They need to be taught how to behave. And they’re only going to learn by being out in the world and making little mistakes here and there. Just get the fuck over it. They are a part of your community, and there are plenty of people in our community that are inconvenient to have around. But we don’t treat them with the same disdain (Unless you’re a republican)
You can tell by how the words say exactly what they mean
Are you actually trying to have a discussion or are you here to grind an axe/be an ass?
I suppose we should ask you the same question. You’re reading something personal into other people’s words.
Does America not have “Family Friendly” restaraunts at all? Like not “Chuck E Cheese” but casual dining for families with outdoor playgrounds or an indoor play room?
My friends and I go out EVERY SATURDAY and 6 kids in total and they know the rules "Cause a ruckus out there on the other side of the heavy windows where I can supervise but still hold a grown up conversation.
Does your country not have bars and other adult-only spaces?
I didnt mean it like that, I legitimately dont know. I know Chuck e cheese is a thing (great play area, terrible food) high end restaurants are obviously a thing, as is family casual like TGI Fridays and chain places, but do they have playgrounds?
Its a stupidly common thing in Australia. The food is (usually) a solid 6 or 7, sometimes an 8, the bar is pretty well stocked and the play area is like an average public park. Easiest way to explain it is like a TINY casino, theres usually some function rooms, a small (or overwhelmingly large if its a predatory shithole) area with slot machines, and a restaraunt (sometimes a few) and a play area.
If I wanted to go out to eat and had to choose between Chuck E Cheese and a restaraunt where I have to spend the whole night managing my childs behavior to not upset others and those were my ONLY options without the ball ache of organising and paying babysitters. I probably wouldnt go out.
I don’t want to exclusively go to chuck-e-cheese’s and pizza shops for 10 years. That’s not unreasonable.
You may have not meant it like that, but I don’t think you realize how much you are expecting everyone with kids to compromise so you won’t ever be annoyed or inconvenienced.
Can you read or nah?
Wow you went from valid even if I disagree to total dick in minutes. Congrats.
Yes I did read it. You seriously think I should agree with the idea of just not going out? I actually had to respond to that specifically? That sounded off handed and, frankly, so ridiculous it wasn’t worth responding to.
Get over yourself. In fact, go fuck yourself. Feel free to have the last word, I’m sure it’s very important to you.
I asked an honest question which you answered with an unrelated question, I offered an explanation and your response wasnt related to either post.
I have better things to do than try and have conversations with people who simply dont engage in a back and forth.
Kids are people. There are some annoying, there are some nice, overall they’re okay. If a person wouldn’t say “I laugh when adults get hurt because adults annoy me just by being adults”, then they shouldn’t say the same about kids.
In short, I hate people who hate kids.